Post by Icefanatic on Jun 26, 2015 12:39:03 GMT -5
X-Men's Beast Joins Soule & McNiven's "Uncanny INHUMANS
mashable.com/2015/06/26/uncanny-inhumans-reboot/
It's bad enough that Marvel has been tailoring it's output increasingly in response to CBR's message boards, but it's pretty clear they are actually saying things in interviews to play into "The Complex" thread there, and to 'poke' fans that are concerned with a lot of what Marvel is doing in general.
I've noticed a number of things in interviews lately, Mark Waid's comment (“I like the fact that we ended up with an Avengers team with one white guy on it," Waid told a newspaper. Cue immediate responses, "what if he had said that about a black guy", "white characters are now unwanted and are just considered an impediment to diversity", "white fans are now unwanted"). I can think of a dozen better ways to say what Waid did that would have been diversity-positive rather than sounding white-people negative, but then that wouldn't have set tongues wagging on message boards.
Then there was Jason Arron saying words to the effect(I can't find the interview or I'd quote it) that as a forty-something white guy he is no longer the audience for some of the comics, like the current Thor, that he is writing, and he is okay with that. I get saying you are no longer the sole audience for Thor, but to say you are flat out no longer part of the audience for that book is ridiculous. I just turned forty-one. I dropped Thor during the previous run but picked it back up because I was curious about who the new Thor was. I found it to be very enjoyable, not perfect, but good. If I had read his interview ahead of time, I probably would not have picked it up. The idea to me to make comics successful again would be to try and craft things with broad appeal; not try to trade one niche audience for another. To add new fans, not chase off the old ones in the hope you add enough new ones to not only replace them, but actually net increase your numbers. Some of these things being said in interviews are clearly meant to just provoke outrage or a negative response or get people arguing on message boards and social media. It's the Bendis-model applied to the whole Marvel universe. Do things to provoke 'nerdrage', because getting any attention, even for something negative, is ultimately good attention. Except it is souring people on the company.
I like the Inhumans, have several of their series from over the years(the two with art by Jae Lee and Landron are probably my favorites), but as an X-Men fan, there is no way I am buying a book that is clearly in part being used to actively troll X-Men fans.
So much of what Marvel is doing just seems so immature. The endless stunts, trolling fan-bases of characters and even entire franchises, pitting fans against each other; going about adding more diversity to their comics in a way that it is bordering on turning it into a circus act, and is increasingly the subject of mockery and jokes even from the people who were wanting more diversity in the first place. I don't see how Marvel is getting so much right with their movies, and so much wrong with their comics.
Axel said in an interview that he was hearing the usual complaints, that fans were leaving one company for another. He clearly didn't give it any credence. Like that is just what fans do when dissatisfied: leave DC for Marvel, or Marvel for DC, ping ponging back and forth between the two. Except at some point you get tired of being a ping pong ball and just leave and don't come back.
For April, Marvel had fourteen Marvel Universe titles (not counting Star Wars) that sold over 50,000 copies in print, and two, All New X-Men and Uncanny Avengers were only a few hundred issues above that. The number of titles they had that were barely above, at, or below cancellations numbers were staggering, especially considering some of those titles were recently relaunched. Even success stories like Ms. Marvel, which apparly sells well in digital(we don't get to see those numbers) is ranked 92nd by issue 14 with sales at 32,058, and that is with the title being one of only two Marvel books selling at $2.99 instead of $3.99. It's 25% cheaper than almost every other Marvel book(and most comics) being published and barely is in the too 100 of print comics being sold. If it gets relaunched at $3.99, as expected, that price-bump could be the death of it. Iron Man was at 32,000, Miles Morales-Spidey(at 29,318) and Sam Alexander-Nova(at 18,228) titles not that far above and even below cancellation numbers, respectively, and Captain America And Mighty Avengers(18,362) was also well below cancellation numbers by issue 7. It looks like if Lady Thor's success from her solo doesn't carry over to the new Avengers book, that much-hyped title could be in major trouble very quickly.
www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2015/2015-04.html
April 2015 Comic Book Sales Figures
Estimated Comics Sold to North American Comics Shops
as Reported by Diamond Comic Distributors
This list includes all items on Diamond's Top 300 charts, plus any post-#300 items from its Top 50 Indy and Small Publisher charts. If you don't see a book, Diamond released no data for it.
Items marked with asterisks [*] had their reported orders slightly reduced due to returnability.
Comic-book Title Issue Price Publisher Est. sales
1 Star Wars 4 $3.99 Marvel 203,817
5 Darth Vader 4 $3.99 Marvel 123,394
8 Kanan Last Padawan 1 $3.99 Marvel 108,167
10 Princess Leia 3 $3.99 Marvel 102,434
11 Spider-Gwen 3 $3.99 Marvel 102,234
12 Amazing Spider-Man 17 $3.99 Marvel 99,964
13 Deadpool 45 $9.99 Marvel 96,897
16 Thor 7 $3.99 Marvel 71,372
18 Amazing Spider-Man 17.1 $3.99 Marvel 68,907
19 Uncanny Inhumans 0 $4.99 Marvel 67,017
21 Avengers 44 $4.99 Marvel 62,939
23 Avengers Ultron Forever 1 $4.99 Marvel 60,351
24 Silk 3 $3.99 Marvel 58,755
28 Guardians of the Galaxy And X-Men Black Vortex Omega 1 $4.99 Marvel 55,955
29 New Avengers 33 $4.99 Marvel 55,437
32 Guardians of Galaxy 26 $3.99 Marvel 54,124
35 All New X-Men 40 $3.99 Marvel 50,770
37 Uncanny Avengers 3 $3.99 Marvel 50,595
38 Uncanny X-Men 33 $3.99 Marvel 49,278
40 Avengers 43 $3.99 Marvel 47,200
50 Howard The Duck 2 $3.99 Marvel 43,572
54 All New Hawkeye 2 $3.99 Marvel 42,730
55 New Avengers Ultron Forever 1 $4.99 Marvel 42,349
56 Legendary Star Lord 11 $3.99 Marvel 41,325
62 Fantastic Four 645 $5.99 Marvel 39,389
67 All New Captain America 6 $3.99 Marvel 38,199
75 Rocket Raccoon 10 $3.99 Marvel 35,311
78 Superior Iron Man 7 $3.99 Marvel 34,440
79 Darth Vader 3 $3.99 Marvel 34,298
80 Return of Living Deadpool 3 $3.99 Marvel 34,220
90 Daredevil 15 $3.99 Marvel 32,541
92 Ms Marvel 14 $2.99 Marvel 32,058
93 Spider-Woman 6 $3.99 Marvel 32,041
94 Superior Iron Man 8 $3.99 Marvel 32,006
97 Spider-Man 2099 11 $3.99 Marvel 31,665
98 Ant-Man 4 $3.99 Marvel 31,637
100 Captain Marvel 14 $3.99 Marvel 30,560
103 Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man 12 $3.99 Marvel 29,318
104 Avengers Operation Hydra 1 $3.99 Marvel 29,302
105 Guardians Team-Up 4 $3.99 Marvel 28,877
106 Hulk 14 $3.99 Marvel 28,494
107 X-Men 26 $3.99 Marvel 27,640
108 Inhuman Special 1 $4.99 Marvel 27,234
109 Shield 4 $3.99 Marvel 26,930
111 Amazing X-Men 19 $3.99 Marvel 26,859
112 Guardians of Galaxy Best Story Ever 1 $3.99 Marvel 26,852
113 Shield 5 $3.99 Marvel 26,614
114 Cyclops 12 $3.99 Marvel 26,516
115 True Believers Civil War 1 $1.00 Marvel 26,263
116 Inhuman 14 $3.99 Marvel 26,164
117 Hulk 15 $3.99 Marvel 26,118
118 Wolverines 13 $3.99 Marvel 25,790
121 Wolverines 14 $3.99 Marvel 25,434
122 Wolverines 16 $3.99 Marvel 25,239
124 Wolverines 15 $3.99 Marvel 25,173
126 Spider-Gwen 1 $3.99 Marvel 24,501
128 Angela Asgards Assassin 5 $3.99 Marvel 23,551
132 Spider-Man And X-Men 5 $3.99 Marvel 22,929
133 Spider-Man And X-Men 6 $4.99 Marvel 22,843
135 Moon Knight 14 $3.99 Marvel 22,303
136 Magneto 17 $3.99 Marvel 22,072
137 Avengers Millennium 1 $3.99 Marvel 21,922
138 True Believers Infinity Gauntlet 1 $1.00 Marvel 21,770
141 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 4 $3.99 Marvel 20,987
142 Silver Surfer 11 $4.99 Marvel 20,776
144 Avengers World 19 $3.99 Marvel 20,491
145 Avengers Millennium 2 $3.99 Marvel 20,444
146 Avengers World 20 $3.99 Marvel 20,193
151 Punisher 17 $3.99 Marvel 19,762
152 Avengers Millennium 3 $3.99 Marvel 19,553
153 Avengers Millennium 4 $3.99 Marvel 19,547
158 Black Widow 17 $3.99 Marvel 18,851
159 Nova 30 $3.99 Marvel 18,635
160 Captain America And Mighty Avengers 7 $3.99 Marvel 18,362
161 Nova 29 $3.99 Marvel 18,228
162 True Believers Old Man Logan 1 $1.00 Marvel 18,128
169 True Believers Age of Ultron 1 $1.00 Marvel 17,627
172 True Believers Marvel Zombies 1 $1.00 Marvel 17,454
174 Loki Agent of Asgard 13 $3.99 Marvel 17,212
176 True Believers Planet Hulk 1 $1.00 Marvel 16,794
177 Guardians 3000 7 $3.99 Marvel 16,532
178 Max Ride First Flight 1 $3.99 Marvel 16,317
179 True Believers Age of Apocalypse 1 $1.00 Marvel 16,135
181 Secret Avengers 15 $3.99 Marvel 15,925
184 True Believers Miles Morales 1 $1.00 Marvel 15,690
186 Iron Fist Living Weapon 11 $3.99 Marvel 15,432
191 True Believers House of M 1 $1.00 Marvel 14,845
192 Bucky Barnes Winter Soldier 7 $3.99 Marvel 14,779
200 True Believers Armor Wars 1 $1.00 Marvel 13,411
201 Storm 10 $3.99 Marvel 13,398
206 Star Wars 1 $4.99 Marvel 12,756
208 Operation Sin 4 $3.99 Marvel 11,949
210 Darth Vader 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,837
215 Darth Vader 1 $4.99 Marvel 11,637
222 Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,231
230 Princess Leia 1 $3.99 Marvel 10,416
235 Star Wars 2 $3.99 Marvel 10,077
237 Dark Tower Drawing Three House Cards 2 $3.99 Marvel 10,019
238 Deathlok 7 $3.99 Marvel 9,871
254 Max Ride First Flight 2 $3.99 Marvel 8,638
256 George Romeros Empire of Dead Act Three 1 $3.99 Marvel 8,623
259 Marvel Universe Guardians of Galaxy 3 $2.99 Marvel 8,406
288 Powers Firsts 1 $1.00 Marvel 6,852
mashable.com/2015/06/26/uncanny-inhumans-reboot/
Eight months will have passed between that monumental finale and the beginning of all Marvel's reboots — about 60 titles in all will re-start with fresh No. 1s — and something "mysterious" will have transpired in that time between the mutants and the Inhumans. Whatever it is, it will have landed Hank McCoy on the side of the royal family (something we didn't know before), as well as Johnny Storm (something we sort of did).
Speaking of, the "Uncanny" label is something that the X-Men and Avengers have carried on their banners over the years, though It really belongs to the Inhumans.
"'Uncanny' was first associated with the Inhumans, not everybody knows that," Soule told Mashable. "Because it wasn’t the huge explosion with X-Men at first … it means, and I think it fits the Inhumans better anyway, 'strange and mysterious.' It just means, 'This is a big deal, Marvel readers!'"
That "big deal" extends well beyond this royal family of Black Bolt and estranged wife Medusa — both of whom will be searching for their lost son. The Terrigen Mist was released across the Earth in the "Infinity" battle with Thanos, which brought down the family's sanctuary floating city of Attilan. That event awakened Inhuman powers in countless people all across the planet, including the new Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, now a member of the central Avengers team.
"It’s this awesome, swirling superhero story that has a lot of things going on — and is a blast," Soule said.
It's bad enough that Marvel has been tailoring it's output increasingly in response to CBR's message boards, but it's pretty clear they are actually saying things in interviews to play into "The Complex" thread there, and to 'poke' fans that are concerned with a lot of what Marvel is doing in general.
I've noticed a number of things in interviews lately, Mark Waid's comment (“I like the fact that we ended up with an Avengers team with one white guy on it," Waid told a newspaper. Cue immediate responses, "what if he had said that about a black guy", "white characters are now unwanted and are just considered an impediment to diversity", "white fans are now unwanted"). I can think of a dozen better ways to say what Waid did that would have been diversity-positive rather than sounding white-people negative, but then that wouldn't have set tongues wagging on message boards.
Then there was Jason Arron saying words to the effect(I can't find the interview or I'd quote it) that as a forty-something white guy he is no longer the audience for some of the comics, like the current Thor, that he is writing, and he is okay with that. I get saying you are no longer the sole audience for Thor, but to say you are flat out no longer part of the audience for that book is ridiculous. I just turned forty-one. I dropped Thor during the previous run but picked it back up because I was curious about who the new Thor was. I found it to be very enjoyable, not perfect, but good. If I had read his interview ahead of time, I probably would not have picked it up. The idea to me to make comics successful again would be to try and craft things with broad appeal; not try to trade one niche audience for another. To add new fans, not chase off the old ones in the hope you add enough new ones to not only replace them, but actually net increase your numbers. Some of these things being said in interviews are clearly meant to just provoke outrage or a negative response or get people arguing on message boards and social media. It's the Bendis-model applied to the whole Marvel universe. Do things to provoke 'nerdrage', because getting any attention, even for something negative, is ultimately good attention. Except it is souring people on the company.
I like the Inhumans, have several of their series from over the years(the two with art by Jae Lee and Landron are probably my favorites), but as an X-Men fan, there is no way I am buying a book that is clearly in part being used to actively troll X-Men fans.
So much of what Marvel is doing just seems so immature. The endless stunts, trolling fan-bases of characters and even entire franchises, pitting fans against each other; going about adding more diversity to their comics in a way that it is bordering on turning it into a circus act, and is increasingly the subject of mockery and jokes even from the people who were wanting more diversity in the first place. I don't see how Marvel is getting so much right with their movies, and so much wrong with their comics.
Axel said in an interview that he was hearing the usual complaints, that fans were leaving one company for another. He clearly didn't give it any credence. Like that is just what fans do when dissatisfied: leave DC for Marvel, or Marvel for DC, ping ponging back and forth between the two. Except at some point you get tired of being a ping pong ball and just leave and don't come back.
For April, Marvel had fourteen Marvel Universe titles (not counting Star Wars) that sold over 50,000 copies in print, and two, All New X-Men and Uncanny Avengers were only a few hundred issues above that. The number of titles they had that were barely above, at, or below cancellations numbers were staggering, especially considering some of those titles were recently relaunched. Even success stories like Ms. Marvel, which apparly sells well in digital(we don't get to see those numbers) is ranked 92nd by issue 14 with sales at 32,058, and that is with the title being one of only two Marvel books selling at $2.99 instead of $3.99. It's 25% cheaper than almost every other Marvel book(and most comics) being published and barely is in the too 100 of print comics being sold. If it gets relaunched at $3.99, as expected, that price-bump could be the death of it. Iron Man was at 32,000, Miles Morales-Spidey(at 29,318) and Sam Alexander-Nova(at 18,228) titles not that far above and even below cancellation numbers, respectively, and Captain America And Mighty Avengers(18,362) was also well below cancellation numbers by issue 7. It looks like if Lady Thor's success from her solo doesn't carry over to the new Avengers book, that much-hyped title could be in major trouble very quickly.
www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2015/2015-04.html
April 2015 Comic Book Sales Figures
Estimated Comics Sold to North American Comics Shops
as Reported by Diamond Comic Distributors
This list includes all items on Diamond's Top 300 charts, plus any post-#300 items from its Top 50 Indy and Small Publisher charts. If you don't see a book, Diamond released no data for it.
Items marked with asterisks [*] had their reported orders slightly reduced due to returnability.
Comic-book Title Issue Price Publisher Est. sales
1 Star Wars 4 $3.99 Marvel 203,817
5 Darth Vader 4 $3.99 Marvel 123,394
8 Kanan Last Padawan 1 $3.99 Marvel 108,167
10 Princess Leia 3 $3.99 Marvel 102,434
11 Spider-Gwen 3 $3.99 Marvel 102,234
12 Amazing Spider-Man 17 $3.99 Marvel 99,964
13 Deadpool 45 $9.99 Marvel 96,897
16 Thor 7 $3.99 Marvel 71,372
18 Amazing Spider-Man 17.1 $3.99 Marvel 68,907
19 Uncanny Inhumans 0 $4.99 Marvel 67,017
21 Avengers 44 $4.99 Marvel 62,939
23 Avengers Ultron Forever 1 $4.99 Marvel 60,351
24 Silk 3 $3.99 Marvel 58,755
28 Guardians of the Galaxy And X-Men Black Vortex Omega 1 $4.99 Marvel 55,955
29 New Avengers 33 $4.99 Marvel 55,437
32 Guardians of Galaxy 26 $3.99 Marvel 54,124
35 All New X-Men 40 $3.99 Marvel 50,770
37 Uncanny Avengers 3 $3.99 Marvel 50,595
38 Uncanny X-Men 33 $3.99 Marvel 49,278
40 Avengers 43 $3.99 Marvel 47,200
50 Howard The Duck 2 $3.99 Marvel 43,572
54 All New Hawkeye 2 $3.99 Marvel 42,730
55 New Avengers Ultron Forever 1 $4.99 Marvel 42,349
56 Legendary Star Lord 11 $3.99 Marvel 41,325
62 Fantastic Four 645 $5.99 Marvel 39,389
67 All New Captain America 6 $3.99 Marvel 38,199
75 Rocket Raccoon 10 $3.99 Marvel 35,311
78 Superior Iron Man 7 $3.99 Marvel 34,440
79 Darth Vader 3 $3.99 Marvel 34,298
80 Return of Living Deadpool 3 $3.99 Marvel 34,220
90 Daredevil 15 $3.99 Marvel 32,541
92 Ms Marvel 14 $2.99 Marvel 32,058
93 Spider-Woman 6 $3.99 Marvel 32,041
94 Superior Iron Man 8 $3.99 Marvel 32,006
97 Spider-Man 2099 11 $3.99 Marvel 31,665
98 Ant-Man 4 $3.99 Marvel 31,637
100 Captain Marvel 14 $3.99 Marvel 30,560
103 Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man 12 $3.99 Marvel 29,318
104 Avengers Operation Hydra 1 $3.99 Marvel 29,302
105 Guardians Team-Up 4 $3.99 Marvel 28,877
106 Hulk 14 $3.99 Marvel 28,494
107 X-Men 26 $3.99 Marvel 27,640
108 Inhuman Special 1 $4.99 Marvel 27,234
109 Shield 4 $3.99 Marvel 26,930
111 Amazing X-Men 19 $3.99 Marvel 26,859
112 Guardians of Galaxy Best Story Ever 1 $3.99 Marvel 26,852
113 Shield 5 $3.99 Marvel 26,614
114 Cyclops 12 $3.99 Marvel 26,516
115 True Believers Civil War 1 $1.00 Marvel 26,263
116 Inhuman 14 $3.99 Marvel 26,164
117 Hulk 15 $3.99 Marvel 26,118
118 Wolverines 13 $3.99 Marvel 25,790
121 Wolverines 14 $3.99 Marvel 25,434
122 Wolverines 16 $3.99 Marvel 25,239
124 Wolverines 15 $3.99 Marvel 25,173
126 Spider-Gwen 1 $3.99 Marvel 24,501
128 Angela Asgards Assassin 5 $3.99 Marvel 23,551
132 Spider-Man And X-Men 5 $3.99 Marvel 22,929
133 Spider-Man And X-Men 6 $4.99 Marvel 22,843
135 Moon Knight 14 $3.99 Marvel 22,303
136 Magneto 17 $3.99 Marvel 22,072
137 Avengers Millennium 1 $3.99 Marvel 21,922
138 True Believers Infinity Gauntlet 1 $1.00 Marvel 21,770
141 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 4 $3.99 Marvel 20,987
142 Silver Surfer 11 $4.99 Marvel 20,776
144 Avengers World 19 $3.99 Marvel 20,491
145 Avengers Millennium 2 $3.99 Marvel 20,444
146 Avengers World 20 $3.99 Marvel 20,193
151 Punisher 17 $3.99 Marvel 19,762
152 Avengers Millennium 3 $3.99 Marvel 19,553
153 Avengers Millennium 4 $3.99 Marvel 19,547
158 Black Widow 17 $3.99 Marvel 18,851
159 Nova 30 $3.99 Marvel 18,635
160 Captain America And Mighty Avengers 7 $3.99 Marvel 18,362
161 Nova 29 $3.99 Marvel 18,228
162 True Believers Old Man Logan 1 $1.00 Marvel 18,128
169 True Believers Age of Ultron 1 $1.00 Marvel 17,627
172 True Believers Marvel Zombies 1 $1.00 Marvel 17,454
174 Loki Agent of Asgard 13 $3.99 Marvel 17,212
176 True Believers Planet Hulk 1 $1.00 Marvel 16,794
177 Guardians 3000 7 $3.99 Marvel 16,532
178 Max Ride First Flight 1 $3.99 Marvel 16,317
179 True Believers Age of Apocalypse 1 $1.00 Marvel 16,135
181 Secret Avengers 15 $3.99 Marvel 15,925
184 True Believers Miles Morales 1 $1.00 Marvel 15,690
186 Iron Fist Living Weapon 11 $3.99 Marvel 15,432
191 True Believers House of M 1 $1.00 Marvel 14,845
192 Bucky Barnes Winter Soldier 7 $3.99 Marvel 14,779
200 True Believers Armor Wars 1 $1.00 Marvel 13,411
201 Storm 10 $3.99 Marvel 13,398
206 Star Wars 1 $4.99 Marvel 12,756
208 Operation Sin 4 $3.99 Marvel 11,949
210 Darth Vader 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,837
215 Darth Vader 1 $4.99 Marvel 11,637
222 Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 2 $3.99 Marvel 11,231
230 Princess Leia 1 $3.99 Marvel 10,416
235 Star Wars 2 $3.99 Marvel 10,077
237 Dark Tower Drawing Three House Cards 2 $3.99 Marvel 10,019
238 Deathlok 7 $3.99 Marvel 9,871
254 Max Ride First Flight 2 $3.99 Marvel 8,638
256 George Romeros Empire of Dead Act Three 1 $3.99 Marvel 8,623
259 Marvel Universe Guardians of Galaxy 3 $2.99 Marvel 8,406
288 Powers Firsts 1 $1.00 Marvel 6,852
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