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by whitecrown
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I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up!

I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially.

That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho.

unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/

unboxingbros.com/

www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph
I must give props to your dedication and devotion, especially hearing that you go out of your way tracking down old interviews and sources to back up your work. I can't imagine it's very cheap either to find some of this old content. Glad you found the interivew you needed for Simonson's original plans. I remember you mentioned to me once how she was definitely aware of the plan for Bobby and seeded in certain aspects (like Loki and Asgard) so very curious to see the full write-up on that when it's ready.



Lol I had no idea Madonna was into the occult. Must have been a phase with her.



The new stuff is more a blindspot for me because I rarely keep up with the current comics anymore. And everytime I do come back, I'm reminded of why I left in the first place. The Storm/Magneto stuff from Ewing I've heard wonderful things about, for both characters, so I probably should read it especially now knowing it's all connected to Oblivion as well. Had no idea Ashake was brought back. And as someone who doesn't read Venom, it's a good thing you mentioned that Ewing has used this concept of falling through Limbo before.



I'd also heard that Shadow King was meant as an oppositional force against the Phoenix but I never knew if that was mere speculation or not. Nice to have Ewing confirm it. I agree that Dark Cold Room flows better than Black Cold Room.



Oh I see, I didn't realize the Iceman statue was a custom. That makes sense because I had never seen any official merchandise of Iceman with a dragon theme. It sounds like Lucas Coelho might be a subscriber to this mythos. It's truly a stunning piece of work and I'd love to see that dragon imagery pop up in the comics when Bobby is using his powers. It seems like such a natural fit after actually seeing it.
by Icefanatic
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Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins.

Thank you!

I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up!

whitecrown Avatar
This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it.

I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially.

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The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run.

I connected some obvious dots. I probably should have shown more of them but I rushed that recent addition and I don't think it meets the quality of the rest so I am going to revise that section as follows:

**As noted earlier, writer Al Ewing has spent recent years establishing various Sefirot and Qliphoth as places in the Marvel Universe in books like Immortal Hulk and Venom and Defenders: Beyond, as well as establishing already existing Marvel realms as Sefirot and Qliphoth.

In Resurrection of Magneto #1, Ewing shows us Magneto's spirit now trapped in the afterlife. His anguish is felt by Storm in the world of the living and she seeks out Adam Brashear aka the Blue Marvel to somehow reach Magneto to help him. She eventually travels through a portal into the afterlife, leaving her physical body behind in the process.

Storm is immediately confronted by images drawn from the Tarot, specifically the Rider–Waite Tarot version of the cards, mixed with images from Marvel's own unique Arcana. The snake on the Wheel of Fortune looks ominous...



Eventually, she meets Ashake, one of her ancestors and receives guidance.



Sefirot and Qliphoth are often refereed to as simply 'spheres'. The fifth sphere of the Qliphoth is Golachab, corresponding to the Sefirot Geburah on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. Golachab means the Burners with Fire, and represents unbridled radicalism and tyranny that brooks no opposition, and executes all its opponents. Golachab is a hell for those who burn to do destruction, even on themselves.

At the end of Resurrection of Magneto #2, Magneto and Storm manage to escape Golachab, falling into the realm below...



This is a technique Al Ewing has employed before, in the pages of Venom, where he had Eddie Brock fall through Limbo into the realm below. The realm below was identified as the Qliphoth Gamaliel and given the Marvel Universe name 'The Un-Beyond'. But by falling down and through Limbo, it also established Limbo as the Qliphoth above Gamaliel, Nehemoth.

Here, by falling into the Qliphoth below Golachab, we know this realm to be sixth sphere of the Qliphoth, Thagirion...

Thagirion is the Qliphoth in opposition to the Sefirot Tiferet in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and Death. Thagirion means the disputers and the painful movers, Thagirion maintains and sustains the ugly and evil forces together, performing the same function as Tiferet does for the Life side of the Tree.

Resurrection of Magneto 3 subtly establishes Thagirion both as the 'Black Cold Room'...

"Pitch black...and very, very cold."



...and as a home for oppositional forces to the Phoenix...



including but not limited to Bete Noir, the Adversary, the Shadow King, Annihilation, the First Fallen and the Goblin Force.

Okay, We have 'black' and 'cold', but where did we get 'room' from, you ask?!

Let's go to the writer's blog...

al-ewing-writes-comics.ghost.io/200324/

Spring Cleaning In The Dark Cold Room
A new release and chat about an old one.

People have already seen the preview of this - well, it's Wednesday, people have already seen the whole comic. But the preview involves a bit of housecleaning on my part - as part of trying to get my head around what this series would be and how it could fit with the larger narrative being told (also out today: X-Men Forever #1!) I did a bit of research on the various "oppositional forces to the Phoenix" we've seen on-panel. I'd heard that the Shadow King was originally intended to be one of these by Claremont, but I'd been made aware of others that had filled that niche since, such as the Goblin Force. Were there any others? Turns out the answer is yes. Did I get them all? Who even knows. The oppositional forces to the Phoenix can be plural, but for the purposes of the larger story they should probably be coherently arranged.

(No Tiger God, though. My gut said he didn't fit - I'll give that some more thought if they ever ask me for AvX II.)

Technically it should be the Black Cold Room(in opposition to White), not the 'Dark Cold Room', but 'Dark' does flow better...

"Did I get them all? Who even knows."

Well, He may have missed one...

***


whitecrown Avatar
I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product?


It's what is called a 'custom'. They are made by actual companies but not necessarily officially licensed. Generally 1/4 scale and limited to around twenty statues to a casting, they retail from several hundred to thousands of dollars.

That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho.

unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/

unboxingbros.com/

www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph
by whitecrown
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins.

This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it.

The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run.

I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product?
by Icefanatic
To say I am rather disinterested in the latest 'reboot' for Marvel's X-Men franchise would be a massive understatement.

While the 'Krakoa' era is technically ending, all of its failings are far from behind us. The damage to countless individual characters and the team and franchise as a whole cannot be overstated.

To give just one example...Beast. While once a beloved character he became irredeemably evil and was stated to have secretly been so though decades of stories. So he was killed off and replaced with a clone that only has Beast's memories though his time in New Defenders from the early eighties. Essentially creating a copy that is missing forty years of story-memories.

Other characters such as Moira, Polaris and even Nightcrawler have all had their 'irredeemable' moments as well, among others. No clones to replace them yet, though.

Bah, humbug!
by Icefanatic

July 2024 X-Books Solicitations

aiptcomics.com/2024/04/18/fu...solicitations/





X-MEN #1

JED MACKAY (W) • RYAN STEGMAN (A/C)

FROM THE ASHES!

Krakoa is gone, ORCHIS has fallen…but the X-Men remain, always. Cyclops
leads, because that is what he does. Beast builds, because that is what
he does. And from their new home in Alaska, the X-Men raise a flag of
defiance. Mutant business is their business. Join CYCLOPS, BEAST,
MAGNETO, PSYLOCKE, KID OMEGA, TEMPER, MAGIK and JUGGERNAUT as new forces
in the world move into position, battling for the destiny and
philosophy of the mutant species.






X-FORCE #1

GEOFFREY THORNE (W) • MARCUS TO (A) • Cover by Stephen Segovia

A NEW PATH FORGED!


The world is fractured. FORGE uses his powers of invention to devise the
only fix: an all-new, all-different X-FORCE! Forge leads a custom-made,
handpicked team of mutants – RACHEL SUMMERS, BETSY BRADDOCK, SAGE,
SURGE and introducing TANK – in off-the-books missions so dire, so
integral to the fate of the Marvel Universe, there’s no time to stop for
permission! As Forge detects increasing threats across the planet, he
will recruit a specialist for each target – first up: that regenerating
degenerate, DEADPOOL! Be here for an X-Force like you’ve never seen them
before, stick around to see who joins, who lives, who dies and uncover
the mystery of Forge’s discovery!






NYX #1

COLLIN KELLY & JACKSON LANZING (W) • FRANCESCO MORTARINO (A)

Cover by SARA PICHELLI

THIS IS NYX!


• This isn’t a book about X-Men. This is a book about mutants living past the end of their world and into a new beginning.

• This is MS. MARVEL embracing her mutant life in the neon streets of
the Lower East Side. This is ANOLE trying to keep his head above water.
This is WOLVERINE in the shadows of Bushwick, protecting her own. This
is PRODIGY writing history as it happens – and SOPHIE CUCKOO finding her
own way.

• The news reports are bleak. The streets feel dangerous. There’s
something lurking underground. Evil coming from every direction. But
they’re determined to make it. This is mutant community. This is mutant
pride. This is NYX.





PHOENIX #1

STEPHANIE PHILLIPS (W) • ALESSANDRO MIRACOLO (A)

Cover by YASMINE PUTRI

LIFE! FIRE! POWER! POSSIBILITY! PHOENIX!


• She is JEAN GREY. She is PHOENIX. She saves the world. She brings
death. One woman, alone in space, who not only must do what no one else
can: she yearns to.


• A desperate S.O.S. from NOVA brings the Phoenix to the edge of a black
hole, where hundreds of lives hang in the balance…and whatever Jean
does – or fails to do – will bring darkness to the universe and haunt
her in ways she can scarcely imagine…





DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: WWIII #3 (OF 3)

JOE KELLY (W) • ADAM KUBERT (A/C)

WADE AND LOGAN’S ALL-OUT WAR CONCLUDES!


• WWIII has emerged. WOLVERINE is tested beyond his limits. DEADPOOL is…no more?!

• Discover how this drastic showdown figures into the DELTA’s plans. And
with THOSE WHO WATCH counting on unending bloodshed, whose will be the
last blood to spill?





WOLVERINE: DEEP CUT #1 (OF 4)

CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • EDGAR SALAZAR (A)

Cover by PHILIP TAN

OUT OF THE OUTBACK ON A LIFE-AND-DEATH MISSION!

• At last – LOGAN’s secret adventure revealed! Featuring a sinister
revelation and claw-to-claw confrontations with SABRETOOTH, this is a
must-have WOLVERINE story for new and long-standing fans alike that
simply cannot be missed!


• Back in UNCANNY X-MEN #246, Logan set off from the Australian outback,
leaving behind what was left of the X-MEN, for a personal mission. Now,
after decades of mystery, Chris Claremont reveals just what Wolverine
got up to before his classic battle with the REAVERS!





LIFE OF WOLVERINE #1

JIM ZUB (W) • RAMÓN F. BACHS (A) • Cover by RON LIM

LOGAN’S LIFE STORY – IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER FOR THE FIRST TIME!


WOLVERINE has been mindwiped, manipulated and given false memories so
many times, what is the truth of his long life? Now, as a journey into
his own past becomes paramount to the survival of mutantkind, delve into
the TRUE story of LOGAN’s life, from his earliest days in the late
1800s, to the many wars he’s fought alongside comrades like CAPTAIN
AMERICA and SABRETOOTH, to the WEAPON X procedures that changed his life
forever, his days on the X-MEN and more! All IN CONTINUITY, this
includes some adventures and links to the past never before revealed,
giving the most complete picture of WOLVERINE’s history EVER ASSEMBLED!
In print for the first time!





WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT #3 (of 4)

TOM WALTZ (W) • JUAN JOSÉ RYP (A) Cover by BEN HARVEY

IN TOO DEEP!

WOLVERINE and NIGHTGUARD have made it to the heart of the vampire base.
But if they can fight through the aquatic AQUEOS VAMPIRES, what untold
horrors await in the caverns above?!

Tom Waltz’s debut Marvel series continues as he and Juan José Ryp bring
LOGAN on his long journey into darkness…against OLD FRIENDS and NEW
ENEMIES!





WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT #4 (of 4)

TOM WALTZ (W) • JUAN JOSÉ RYP (A) Cover by BEN HARVEY

WOLVERINE: LORD OF THE VAMPIRES?!


BETRAYAL lands WOLVERINE in a precarious spot – under the vampiric
thrall of his enemies! With his healing factor stunted and the apex of
the renegade vampire scheme at hand, ALYSSA takes her place as QUEEN OF
THE VAMPIRES – with LOGAN as her king!


The shocking finale to WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT…might just be the BEGINNING!




X-MEN: BLOOD HUNT – PSYLOCKE #1

STEVE FOXE (W) • LYNNE YOSHII (A)

Cover by STEPHEN SEGOVIA

NINJA VS. VAMPIRE!


After serving on the frontlines in the war against Orchis, KWANNON is
enjoying some much-deserved downtime with her new lover Greycrow. But
when darkness falls across Japan, PSYLOCKE will wield her psionic blade
against bloodsucking creatures of legend and faces a foe unlike any
she’s ever seen. An all-new villain emerges in the mayhem of BLOOD HUNT!






X-MEN: BLOOD HUNT – LAURA KINNEY THE WOLVERINE #1

STEPHANIE PHILLIPS (W) • ROBERT GILL (A)

Cover by BJÖRN BARENDS

THE BLOODIEST RESCUE MISSION YET!


The vampires will stop at nothing in their bid for supremacy, including
capturing mutants for hellacious experiments to boost their own power.
But not on LAURA KINNEY’s watch! The WOLVERINE slices a swath through
the vamps, but when she encounters the TRUTH behind their machinations,
will an UNLIKELY ALLY prove to be more than she bargained for?






ULTIMATE X-MEN #5

PEACH MOMOKO (W) • PEACH MOMOKO (A/C)

THE NEW MUTANTS FACE THEIR FIRST ENEMY!

• Maystorm isn’t the only mutant with electric powers – and Noriko Ashida is here to make sure she knows it!

• A fun summer festival turns haunted and dangerous as spirits and surges collide!

by Icefanatic
I'll add this:

We have been dealing with 'Krakoa' and the 'Road-to-Krakoa' for a combined period of well over a decade. Krakoa was the plan in place back when Hickman was still writing Avengers. We got the Time-Displaced 05 from 'some plan that had been floating around the office'. It was Hickman's plan, with certain things built in, like the TD-05 having certain key differences from the OG-05 baked in from their arrival just waiting to be revealed, and other changes that would be made after their arrival. As the person in charge of implementing their arrival in the present and initially telling most of their stories, Bendis got to make decisions on some of that.

Example: Beast

We saw a somewhat near-future with Beast with a horned appearance and a far-future Beast with even more of a demonic form and wielding arcane power. So the TD-05 were never going back in time until TD-05 Beast started experimenting with magic and eventually developed a demonic alternate form. That allowed them in the current era to say Beast was acting evil at various points throughout his history, either by retconning in things that originally never happened or by re-contextualizing benign or good things into something evil.

The 'Road-to-Krakoa' was full of things like that. Changes to characters and continuity just randomly dropped into stories because they had to set up stories that wouldn't see print for years. At the same time they had to otherwise mostly spin their wheels for those years while waiting for Hickman to be free to return to Marvel to write the story they had spent those years setting up.

So you got a lot of wrongness that made no sense and stories that went nowhere, all while fans argued and fought over changes to characters and history while complaining that the stories were mostly retreads and directionless.

Then we finally get Krakoa and it's so fresh and exiting, but quickly politely asks that you must check you brain at the door. We had just went through a 'Schism' where the X-Men divided in part over refusing to follow Cyclops and his council of reformed villains, yet we were supposed to buy those same people would go to an island and be ruled over by Apocalypse, Sinister, Magneto, Shaw, Mystique..? The X-Men abandoning their long-held goal of peaceful coexistence for Mutant Separatism and cultism? It was preposterous! Theories of mass-mind control and it being an alternate reality abounded, among others. And there were even more massive changes to characters and histories.

A lot of fans that had had enough of changes to characters and histories in the 'Road-to-Krakoa' found 'Krakoa' to be a final breaking point, while fans that had bailed due to the stagnation in the 'Road-to-Krakoa' came roaring back to embrace the seeming forward momentum. Some fans saw what was wrong with Krakoa and figured it was wrong for a reason and waited for the reveal, while others thought the wrong was oh-so-right. This, at last, was progress!

And since sales were on-the-whole higher and interest was through the roof, Marvel decided they didn't want Hickman to bring things to his conclusion. First they had him start to drag things out and then they showed him the door and let an assortment of other writers, many of whom were already failing at executing Hickman's vision, to carry things on.

Meanwhile, where some fans had become pseudo-revolutionaries during the 'Revolution' era, fans now became pseudo-militants under 'Krakoa'. Hyper-identification with mutants and their struggles with Orchis had apparently led to desires to go out and plant bombs in Orchis facilities. But since Orchis didn't...actually...exist..., they channeled those thoughts and emotions into their posts on social media and became increasingly unhinged. They caused a lot of other fans to disengage rather than have to deal with them and turned even more fans against the current era after seeing the negative impact it was clearly having on a number of fans mental health.

And the fans who were waiting for answers to the wrongness got tired of waiting and reading stuff they didn't like hoping for an eventual payoff, so they started leaving. And the fans who came back for the forward momentum now found themselves reading some bizarre confluence of stagnation and wrong direction, so they started leaving, too. And even some of the militant fans driven crazy by 'Krakoa' were starting to realize that what they want isn't really compatible with who the X-Men actually are, and getting it was destroying the X-Men if not for themselves then for everybody else. If they weren't leaving they were at least starting to sober up to reality.

So now were are getting a rushed resolution to a mess of an era, 'Krakoa' and the 'Road-to-Krakoa' combined should have taken maybe five years and we are well over a decade combined and still not out of it yet. And Marvel is now crafting something to try and appeal to those who loved Krakoa, those who hated Krakoa, and those who started off loving Krakoa but came to hate it.

Good luck with that.
by Icefanatic
Someone shared this link on CBR and I thought everything said in it was so spot-on that I'm sharing it here.


comfortfoodcontent.tumblr.com/post/744305294678605824/2024-x-men-35-cover-by-pepe-larraz-2019-2024






"I love this cover. The art is amazing. It marks the end of the Krakoa
era X-Men. It’s been on my mind a lot lately and I had to get some
thoughts out on it. If you know me, if you ever followed me or my comics
site or whatever, you know I was a very loud, very big fan of the
Krakoa era at the start, basically up until X of Swords and Hickman’s
decision to leave. It’s finally ending.


2019-2024 - RIP Krakoa Era X-Men


But truthfully it may as well be 2019-2019 -RIP Krakoa Era X-Men. It
pretty much failed from the start. I loved HoxPox when it dropped. It
was, embarrassing to say now, life changing for me. I thought Hickman
was a genius and had found a way to reinvigorate the line and render
death as a cheap storytelling gimmick useless. A bunch of my faves were
being used and ressurected. I was happier than a pig in ****. I joined
Twitter and all the insane X-Fans on there. I started a website and a
podcast dedicated to comics. Soon the Covid pandemic started. I was
terminally online, my brain rot started and grew worse by the day. It
was an insane wild ride that started high and died soon thereafter."

by Icefanatic
Just going to tag some of the members that expressed the most interest in this over the years...

by Icefanatic
The long-awaited MASSIVE UPDATE is HERE at LAST!!!!!


[Note: All new content has been edited into the first post, with the preexisting content also revised and updated. For narrative purposes, the Dragon of the Moon segment that was to end this first of a planned series of Dragon Mythos threads will now instead start off part two(coming soon!).]

Recent events in the comics have brought renewed interest to the Dragon Mythos, companion to the Phoenix Mythos, and sent the chronicling of its story roaring back to life! Now with all preexisting material revised and a MASSIVE UPDATE that includes a TON of new material!

Learn:
  • How the Dragon Mythos got its start as a fan theory in the 1970's!
  • How Chris Claremont's plans to use the shadow-side of Kabbalah as an adversary for Jean/Phoenix and the X-Men came to cast a defining shadow across the nascent Dragon Mythos!
  • How J. M. DeMatteis began to lay the foundation for the Dragon Mythos in the 1984 Iceman mini-series(and how it would lead to then-X-editor Louise Jones(Simonson) later adding her own significant contributions to the Mythos).
  • What sits opposite the White Hot Room on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and Death, why Tiferet/Tiphereth is a 'White Hot' Room and what opposing 'Power' balances the Phoenix Force!
  • How Kieron Gillen drew directly from the Zohar, the textual foundation of Kabbalah, to craft the scene with 'Apocalypse' in Immortal X-Men!
  • Which Sefirot and Qliphoth are now revealed as established Marvel Comics Universe realms!
  • Why Iceman had to actually be erased from existence to complete his journey into becoming the Dragon!

All that and much, much more!

2024 marks not only the fortieth anniversary of the historic 1984 Iceman mini-series that started Iceman's journey to becoming the Dragon on the printed page, but it is also literally the Chinese Year of the Dragon! All the pieces are in place for a story that is decades in the making!

In the recent final issues of Immortal X-Men, the White Hot Room saw fit to warn the mutants of a coming threat that is in some way akin to Satan! Are they ready!?

Are you?!

Prepare yourselves for the arrival of the ultimate supernatural threat, as two old friends with opposing destinies see their entwined fates... at last... collide!
by Icefanatic
I've taken a break from doing this in recent years, but I am returning to the tradition in the hope that maybe old-school Iceman fans will get something of a present this holiday season...

So, as I try to do most years at this time, in an Iceman appreciation thread somewhere...
 I wish everyone a Merry Christmas!
From me...
...and Iceman
...and the Champions!

https://i.imgur.com/zsfwTEE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9jShPEP.jpg

Merry Christmas everyone and have a Happy New Year!

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by whitecrown
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I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up!

I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially.

That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho.

unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/

unboxingbros.com/

www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph
I must give props to your dedication and devotion, especially hearing that you go out of your way tracking down old interviews and sources to back up your work. I can't imagine it's very cheap either to find some of this old content. Glad you found the interivew you needed for Simonson's original plans. I remember you mentioned to me once how she was definitely aware of the plan for Bobby and seeded in certain aspects (like Loki and Asgard) so very curious to see the full write-up on that when it's ready.



Lol I had no idea Madonna was into the occult. Must have been a phase with her.



The new stuff is more a blindspot for me because I rarely keep up with the current comics anymore. And everytime I do come back, I'm reminded of why I left in the first place. The Storm/Magneto stuff from Ewing I've heard wonderful things about, for both characters, so I probably should read it especially now knowing it's all connected to Oblivion as well. Had no idea Ashake was brought back. And as someone who doesn't read Venom, it's a good thing you mentioned that Ewing has used this concept of falling through Limbo before.



I'd also heard that Shadow King was meant as an oppositional force against the Phoenix but I never knew if that was mere speculation or not. Nice to have Ewing confirm it. I agree that Dark Cold Room flows better than Black Cold Room.



Oh I see, I didn't realize the Iceman statue was a custom. That makes sense because I had never seen any official merchandise of Iceman with a dragon theme. It sounds like Lucas Coelho might be a subscriber to this mythos. It's truly a stunning piece of work and I'd love to see that dragon imagery pop up in the comics when Bobby is using his powers. It seems like such a natural fit after actually seeing it.
by Icefanatic
whitecrown Avatar
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins.

Thank you!

I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up!

whitecrown Avatar
This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it.

I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially.

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The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run.

I connected some obvious dots. I probably should have shown more of them but I rushed that recent addition and I don't think it meets the quality of the rest so I am going to revise that section as follows:

**As noted earlier, writer Al Ewing has spent recent years establishing various Sefirot and Qliphoth as places in the Marvel Universe in books like Immortal Hulk and Venom and Defenders: Beyond, as well as establishing already existing Marvel realms as Sefirot and Qliphoth.

In Resurrection of Magneto #1, Ewing shows us Magneto's spirit now trapped in the afterlife. His anguish is felt by Storm in the world of the living and she seeks out Adam Brashear aka the Blue Marvel to somehow reach Magneto to help him. She eventually travels through a portal into the afterlife, leaving her physical body behind in the process.

Storm is immediately confronted by images drawn from the Tarot, specifically the Rider–Waite Tarot version of the cards, mixed with images from Marvel's own unique Arcana. The snake on the Wheel of Fortune looks ominous...



Eventually, she meets Ashake, one of her ancestors and receives guidance.



Sefirot and Qliphoth are often refereed to as simply 'spheres'. The fifth sphere of the Qliphoth is Golachab, corresponding to the Sefirot Geburah on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. Golachab means the Burners with Fire, and represents unbridled radicalism and tyranny that brooks no opposition, and executes all its opponents. Golachab is a hell for those who burn to do destruction, even on themselves.

At the end of Resurrection of Magneto #2, Magneto and Storm manage to escape Golachab, falling into the realm below...



This is a technique Al Ewing has employed before, in the pages of Venom, where he had Eddie Brock fall through Limbo into the realm below. The realm below was identified as the Qliphoth Gamaliel and given the Marvel Universe name 'The Un-Beyond'. But by falling down and through Limbo, it also established Limbo as the Qliphoth above Gamaliel, Nehemoth.

Here, by falling into the Qliphoth below Golachab, we know this realm to be sixth sphere of the Qliphoth, Thagirion...

Thagirion is the Qliphoth in opposition to the Sefirot Tiferet in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and Death. Thagirion means the disputers and the painful movers, Thagirion maintains and sustains the ugly and evil forces together, performing the same function as Tiferet does for the Life side of the Tree.

Resurrection of Magneto 3 subtly establishes Thagirion both as the 'Black Cold Room'...

"Pitch black...and very, very cold."



...and as a home for oppositional forces to the Phoenix...



including but not limited to Bete Noir, the Adversary, the Shadow King, Annihilation, the First Fallen and the Goblin Force.

Okay, We have 'black' and 'cold', but where did we get 'room' from, you ask?!

Let's go to the writer's blog...

al-ewing-writes-comics.ghost.io/200324/

Spring Cleaning In The Dark Cold Room
A new release and chat about an old one.

People have already seen the preview of this - well, it's Wednesday, people have already seen the whole comic. But the preview involves a bit of housecleaning on my part - as part of trying to get my head around what this series would be and how it could fit with the larger narrative being told (also out today: X-Men Forever #1!) I did a bit of research on the various "oppositional forces to the Phoenix" we've seen on-panel. I'd heard that the Shadow King was originally intended to be one of these by Claremont, but I'd been made aware of others that had filled that niche since, such as the Goblin Force. Were there any others? Turns out the answer is yes. Did I get them all? Who even knows. The oppositional forces to the Phoenix can be plural, but for the purposes of the larger story they should probably be coherently arranged.

(No Tiger God, though. My gut said he didn't fit - I'll give that some more thought if they ever ask me for AvX II.)

Technically it should be the Black Cold Room(in opposition to White), not the 'Dark Cold Room', but 'Dark' does flow better...

"Did I get them all? Who even knows."

Well, He may have missed one...

***


whitecrown Avatar
I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product?


It's what is called a 'custom'. They are made by actual companies but not necessarily officially licensed. Generally 1/4 scale and limited to around twenty statues to a casting, they retail from several hundred to thousands of dollars.

That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho.

unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/

unboxingbros.com/

www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph
by whitecrown
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins.

This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it.

The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run.

I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product?
by Icefanatic
To say I am rather disinterested in the latest 'reboot' for Marvel's X-Men franchise would be a massive understatement.

While the 'Krakoa' era is technically ending, all of its failings are far from behind us. The damage to countless individual characters and the team and franchise as a whole cannot be overstated.

To give just one example...Beast. While once a beloved character he became irredeemably evil and was stated to have secretly been so though decades of stories. So he was killed off and replaced with a clone that only has Beast's memories though his time in New Defenders from the early eighties. Essentially creating a copy that is missing forty years of story-memories.

Other characters such as Moira, Polaris and even Nightcrawler have all had their 'irredeemable' moments as well, among others. No clones to replace them yet, though.

Bah, humbug!
by Icefanatic

July 2024 X-Books Solicitations

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X-MEN #1

JED MACKAY (W) • RYAN STEGMAN (A/C)

FROM THE ASHES!

Krakoa is gone, ORCHIS has fallen…but the X-Men remain, always. Cyclops
leads, because that is what he does. Beast builds, because that is what
he does. And from their new home in Alaska, the X-Men raise a flag of
defiance. Mutant business is their business. Join CYCLOPS, BEAST,
MAGNETO, PSYLOCKE, KID OMEGA, TEMPER, MAGIK and JUGGERNAUT as new forces
in the world move into position, battling for the destiny and
philosophy of the mutant species.






X-FORCE #1

GEOFFREY THORNE (W) • MARCUS TO (A) • Cover by Stephen Segovia

A NEW PATH FORGED!


The world is fractured. FORGE uses his powers of invention to devise the
only fix: an all-new, all-different X-FORCE! Forge leads a custom-made,
handpicked team of mutants – RACHEL SUMMERS, BETSY BRADDOCK, SAGE,
SURGE and introducing TANK – in off-the-books missions so dire, so
integral to the fate of the Marvel Universe, there’s no time to stop for
permission! As Forge detects increasing threats across the planet, he
will recruit a specialist for each target – first up: that regenerating
degenerate, DEADPOOL! Be here for an X-Force like you’ve never seen them
before, stick around to see who joins, who lives, who dies and uncover
the mystery of Forge’s discovery!






NYX #1

COLLIN KELLY & JACKSON LANZING (W) • FRANCESCO MORTARINO (A)

Cover by SARA PICHELLI

THIS IS NYX!


• This isn’t a book about X-Men. This is a book about mutants living past the end of their world and into a new beginning.

• This is MS. MARVEL embracing her mutant life in the neon streets of
the Lower East Side. This is ANOLE trying to keep his head above water.
This is WOLVERINE in the shadows of Bushwick, protecting her own. This
is PRODIGY writing history as it happens – and SOPHIE CUCKOO finding her
own way.

• The news reports are bleak. The streets feel dangerous. There’s
something lurking underground. Evil coming from every direction. But
they’re determined to make it. This is mutant community. This is mutant
pride. This is NYX.





PHOENIX #1

STEPHANIE PHILLIPS (W) • ALESSANDRO MIRACOLO (A)

Cover by YASMINE PUTRI

LIFE! FIRE! POWER! POSSIBILITY! PHOENIX!


• She is JEAN GREY. She is PHOENIX. She saves the world. She brings
death. One woman, alone in space, who not only must do what no one else
can: she yearns to.


• A desperate S.O.S. from NOVA brings the Phoenix to the edge of a black
hole, where hundreds of lives hang in the balance…and whatever Jean
does – or fails to do – will bring darkness to the universe and haunt
her in ways she can scarcely imagine…





DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: WWIII #3 (OF 3)

JOE KELLY (W) • ADAM KUBERT (A/C)

WADE AND LOGAN’S ALL-OUT WAR CONCLUDES!


• WWIII has emerged. WOLVERINE is tested beyond his limits. DEADPOOL is…no more?!

• Discover how this drastic showdown figures into the DELTA’s plans. And
with THOSE WHO WATCH counting on unending bloodshed, whose will be the
last blood to spill?





WOLVERINE: DEEP CUT #1 (OF 4)

CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • EDGAR SALAZAR (A)

Cover by PHILIP TAN

OUT OF THE OUTBACK ON A LIFE-AND-DEATH MISSION!

• At last – LOGAN’s secret adventure revealed! Featuring a sinister
revelation and claw-to-claw confrontations with SABRETOOTH, this is a
must-have WOLVERINE story for new and long-standing fans alike that
simply cannot be missed!


• Back in UNCANNY X-MEN #246, Logan set off from the Australian outback,
leaving behind what was left of the X-MEN, for a personal mission. Now,
after decades of mystery, Chris Claremont reveals just what Wolverine
got up to before his classic battle with the REAVERS!





LIFE OF WOLVERINE #1

JIM ZUB (W) • RAMÓN F. BACHS (A) • Cover by RON LIM

LOGAN’S LIFE STORY – IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER FOR THE FIRST TIME!


WOLVERINE has been mindwiped, manipulated and given false memories so
many times, what is the truth of his long life? Now, as a journey into
his own past becomes paramount to the survival of mutantkind, delve into
the TRUE story of LOGAN’s life, from his earliest days in the late
1800s, to the many wars he’s fought alongside comrades like CAPTAIN
AMERICA and SABRETOOTH, to the WEAPON X procedures that changed his life
forever, his days on the X-MEN and more! All IN CONTINUITY, this
includes some adventures and links to the past never before revealed,
giving the most complete picture of WOLVERINE’s history EVER ASSEMBLED!
In print for the first time!





WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT #3 (of 4)

TOM WALTZ (W) • JUAN JOSÉ RYP (A) Cover by BEN HARVEY

IN TOO DEEP!

WOLVERINE and NIGHTGUARD have made it to the heart of the vampire base.
But if they can fight through the aquatic AQUEOS VAMPIRES, what untold
horrors await in the caverns above?!

Tom Waltz’s debut Marvel series continues as he and Juan José Ryp bring
LOGAN on his long journey into darkness…against OLD FRIENDS and NEW
ENEMIES!





WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT #4 (of 4)

TOM WALTZ (W) • JUAN JOSÉ RYP (A) Cover by BEN HARVEY

WOLVERINE: LORD OF THE VAMPIRES?!


BETRAYAL lands WOLVERINE in a precarious spot – under the vampiric
thrall of his enemies! With his healing factor stunted and the apex of
the renegade vampire scheme at hand, ALYSSA takes her place as QUEEN OF
THE VAMPIRES – with LOGAN as her king!


The shocking finale to WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT…might just be the BEGINNING!




X-MEN: BLOOD HUNT – PSYLOCKE #1

STEVE FOXE (W) • LYNNE YOSHII (A)

Cover by STEPHEN SEGOVIA

NINJA VS. VAMPIRE!


After serving on the frontlines in the war against Orchis, KWANNON is
enjoying some much-deserved downtime with her new lover Greycrow. But
when darkness falls across Japan, PSYLOCKE will wield her psionic blade
against bloodsucking creatures of legend and faces a foe unlike any
she’s ever seen. An all-new villain emerges in the mayhem of BLOOD HUNT!






X-MEN: BLOOD HUNT – LAURA KINNEY THE WOLVERINE #1

STEPHANIE PHILLIPS (W) • ROBERT GILL (A)

Cover by BJÖRN BARENDS

THE BLOODIEST RESCUE MISSION YET!


The vampires will stop at nothing in their bid for supremacy, including
capturing mutants for hellacious experiments to boost their own power.
But not on LAURA KINNEY’s watch! The WOLVERINE slices a swath through
the vamps, but when she encounters the TRUTH behind their machinations,
will an UNLIKELY ALLY prove to be more than she bargained for?






ULTIMATE X-MEN #5

PEACH MOMOKO (W) • PEACH MOMOKO (A/C)

THE NEW MUTANTS FACE THEIR FIRST ENEMY!

• Maystorm isn’t the only mutant with electric powers – and Noriko Ashida is here to make sure she knows it!

• A fun summer festival turns haunted and dangerous as spirits and surges collide!

by Icefanatic
I'll add this:

We have been dealing with 'Krakoa' and the 'Road-to-Krakoa' for a combined period of well over a decade. Krakoa was the plan in place back when Hickman was still writing Avengers. We got the Time-Displaced 05 from 'some plan that had been floating around the office'. It was Hickman's plan, with certain things built in, like the TD-05 having certain key differences from the OG-05 baked in from their arrival just waiting to be revealed, and other changes that would be made after their arrival. As the person in charge of implementing their arrival in the present and initially telling most of their stories, Bendis got to make decisions on some of that.

Example: Beast

We saw a somewhat near-future with Beast with a horned appearance and a far-future Beast with even more of a demonic form and wielding arcane power. So the TD-05 were never going back in time until TD-05 Beast started experimenting with magic and eventually developed a demonic alternate form. That allowed them in the current era to say Beast was acting evil at various points throughout his history, either by retconning in things that originally never happened or by re-contextualizing benign or good things into something evil.

The 'Road-to-Krakoa' was full of things like that. Changes to characters and continuity just randomly dropped into stories because they had to set up stories that wouldn't see print for years. At the same time they had to otherwise mostly spin their wheels for those years while waiting for Hickman to be free to return to Marvel to write the story they had spent those years setting up.

So you got a lot of wrongness that made no sense and stories that went nowhere, all while fans argued and fought over changes to characters and history while complaining that the stories were mostly retreads and directionless.

Then we finally get Krakoa and it's so fresh and exiting, but quickly politely asks that you must check you brain at the door. We had just went through a 'Schism' where the X-Men divided in part over refusing to follow Cyclops and his council of reformed villains, yet we were supposed to buy those same people would go to an island and be ruled over by Apocalypse, Sinister, Magneto, Shaw, Mystique..? The X-Men abandoning their long-held goal of peaceful coexistence for Mutant Separatism and cultism? It was preposterous! Theories of mass-mind control and it being an alternate reality abounded, among others. And there were even more massive changes to characters and histories.

A lot of fans that had had enough of changes to characters and histories in the 'Road-to-Krakoa' found 'Krakoa' to be a final breaking point, while fans that had bailed due to the stagnation in the 'Road-to-Krakoa' came roaring back to embrace the seeming forward momentum. Some fans saw what was wrong with Krakoa and figured it was wrong for a reason and waited for the reveal, while others thought the wrong was oh-so-right. This, at last, was progress!

And since sales were on-the-whole higher and interest was through the roof, Marvel decided they didn't want Hickman to bring things to his conclusion. First they had him start to drag things out and then they showed him the door and let an assortment of other writers, many of whom were already failing at executing Hickman's vision, to carry things on.

Meanwhile, where some fans had become pseudo-revolutionaries during the 'Revolution' era, fans now became pseudo-militants under 'Krakoa'. Hyper-identification with mutants and their struggles with Orchis had apparently led to desires to go out and plant bombs in Orchis facilities. But since Orchis didn't...actually...exist..., they channeled those thoughts and emotions into their posts on social media and became increasingly unhinged. They caused a lot of other fans to disengage rather than have to deal with them and turned even more fans against the current era after seeing the negative impact it was clearly having on a number of fans mental health.

And the fans who were waiting for answers to the wrongness got tired of waiting and reading stuff they didn't like hoping for an eventual payoff, so they started leaving. And the fans who came back for the forward momentum now found themselves reading some bizarre confluence of stagnation and wrong direction, so they started leaving, too. And even some of the militant fans driven crazy by 'Krakoa' were starting to realize that what they want isn't really compatible with who the X-Men actually are, and getting it was destroying the X-Men if not for themselves then for everybody else. If they weren't leaving they were at least starting to sober up to reality.

So now were are getting a rushed resolution to a mess of an era, 'Krakoa' and the 'Road-to-Krakoa' combined should have taken maybe five years and we are well over a decade combined and still not out of it yet. And Marvel is now crafting something to try and appeal to those who loved Krakoa, those who hated Krakoa, and those who started off loving Krakoa but came to hate it.

Good luck with that.
by Icefanatic
Someone shared this link on CBR and I thought everything said in it was so spot-on that I'm sharing it here.


comfortfoodcontent.tumblr.com/post/744305294678605824/2024-x-men-35-cover-by-pepe-larraz-2019-2024






"I love this cover. The art is amazing. It marks the end of the Krakoa
era X-Men. It’s been on my mind a lot lately and I had to get some
thoughts out on it. If you know me, if you ever followed me or my comics
site or whatever, you know I was a very loud, very big fan of the
Krakoa era at the start, basically up until X of Swords and Hickman’s
decision to leave. It’s finally ending.


2019-2024 - RIP Krakoa Era X-Men


But truthfully it may as well be 2019-2019 -RIP Krakoa Era X-Men. It
pretty much failed from the start. I loved HoxPox when it dropped. It
was, embarrassing to say now, life changing for me. I thought Hickman
was a genius and had found a way to reinvigorate the line and render
death as a cheap storytelling gimmick useless. A bunch of my faves were
being used and ressurected. I was happier than a pig in ****. I joined
Twitter and all the insane X-Fans on there. I started a website and a
podcast dedicated to comics. Soon the Covid pandemic started. I was
terminally online, my brain rot started and grew worse by the day. It
was an insane wild ride that started high and died soon thereafter."

by Icefanatic
Just going to tag some of the members that expressed the most interest in this over the years...

by Icefanatic
The long-awaited MASSIVE UPDATE is HERE at LAST!!!!!


[Note: All new content has been edited into the first post, with the preexisting content also revised and updated. For narrative purposes, the Dragon of the Moon segment that was to end this first of a planned series of Dragon Mythos threads will now instead start off part two(coming soon!).]

Recent events in the comics have brought renewed interest to the Dragon Mythos, companion to the Phoenix Mythos, and sent the chronicling of its story roaring back to life! Now with all preexisting material revised and a MASSIVE UPDATE that includes a TON of new material!

Learn:
  • How the Dragon Mythos got its start as a fan theory in the 1970's!
  • How Chris Claremont's plans to use the shadow-side of Kabbalah as an adversary for Jean/Phoenix and the X-Men came to cast a defining shadow across the nascent Dragon Mythos!
  • How J. M. DeMatteis began to lay the foundation for the Dragon Mythos in the 1984 Iceman mini-series(and how it would lead to then-X-editor Louise Jones(Simonson) later adding her own significant contributions to the Mythos).
  • What sits opposite the White Hot Room on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and Death, why Tiferet/Tiphereth is a 'White Hot' Room and what opposing 'Power' balances the Phoenix Force!
  • How Kieron Gillen drew directly from the Zohar, the textual foundation of Kabbalah, to craft the scene with 'Apocalypse' in Immortal X-Men!
  • Which Sefirot and Qliphoth are now revealed as established Marvel Comics Universe realms!
  • Why Iceman had to actually be erased from existence to complete his journey into becoming the Dragon!

All that and much, much more!

2024 marks not only the fortieth anniversary of the historic 1984 Iceman mini-series that started Iceman's journey to becoming the Dragon on the printed page, but it is also literally the Chinese Year of the Dragon! All the pieces are in place for a story that is decades in the making!

In the recent final issues of Immortal X-Men, the White Hot Room saw fit to warn the mutants of a coming threat that is in some way akin to Satan! Are they ready!?

Are you?!

Prepare yourselves for the arrival of the ultimate supernatural threat, as two old friends with opposing destinies see their entwined fates... at last... collide!
by Icefanatic
I've taken a break from doing this in recent years, but I am returning to the tradition in the hope that maybe old-school Iceman fans will get something of a present this holiday season...

So, as I try to do most years at this time, in an Iceman appreciation thread somewhere...
 I wish everyone a Merry Christmas!
From me...
...and Iceman
...and the Champions!

https://i.imgur.com/zsfwTEE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9jShPEP.jpg

Merry Christmas everyone and have a Happy New Year!

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