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Last night while at work, I came across my coworkers in the Doctor's lounge watching tv. Family Guy was on, so I tuned in... And wouldn't you know, it just happened to be that episode with Iceman in it. Admittedly, it did make me laugh where you follow the ice slide down to the adult store across the street, but it also reminded me why I don't like the current version of Iceman.... But I digress.
Although I'm pretty sure Iceman will make a comeback, I'm curious to know how they do it, considering how they left his state of being when he died at the hands of Nimrod. They made it seem like it was a permanent thing at the time, but Bobby has gone through far worse over the decades. No doubt it was done for shock and awe, but if they're going to give him a comeback, at least transcend him into a greater state of being, consciousness, or awareness of his immortality. I've all but given up on any tangible or meaningful development of Iceman at this point, so it's my hope that they do something amazing with him this time around. What I really liked about some of the development of Iceman over the years is when other characters had shown him his potential and what he was capable of. Mikhal Rasputin, Emma Frost, the Juggernaut, and Mystique. All these villains provided a pivotal moment in Bobby's life that changed and heightened his potential (changing him from water to ice, repairing his damaged ice body & traveling through water at super speeds, gigantism by absorbing water, and rebuilding a new body when poisoned & immunity to intense heat). Those are the memorable instances we remember over the years. Not when he does a new feat, other characters react to it, and then he jokes about it with some lame pun... We're all adult here, so please writers, stop insulting our intelligence. by Icefanatic
And here is a little more on the above from Brevoort taken from his Substack:
tombrevoort.substack.com/p/111-i-would-like-to-feed-your-fingertips Hector: You said iceman yes in one of your interviews and that we would be talking about him this year Which is a relief because out of the original five he's the only one that haven't been announced in any book yet, being honest he haven't been anywhere this year so far, so my question is are we gonna have to wait and read the announced books to know what happened to him or we may have something announced about him before the release maybe in some of the books that are yet to be announced Brevoort: Well, I said that we’d be talking about Iceman by the end of the year, Hector, and we’re still not even halfway to that point. So like so many other X-Characters that fans are asking about, you’re going to need to wait for the proper moment to arrive. by Icefanatic
aiptcomics.com/2024/05/06/x-men-monday-tom-brevoort-from-the-ashes/ AIPT: So, when sorting through X-Fans’ questions, I picked up on some concerns over their favorite characters not appearing in any promotional images. I’m going to list some characters and you tell me… whatever you can tell me! ... AIPT: OK, how about Iceman? Tom: Iceman, yes. ... AIPT: OK, Tom — final question. Six months into the “From the Ashes” era… what three X-Men characters will X-Fans be talking about? Tom: Wow. That’s a good question. I’m pulling up my master chart here. For the sake of argument, rather than starting in May, let’s say from June. So that pretty much puts us around December. Let’s see… who do I have on my little chart and who can I point to? I think we’ll definitely be talking about Inmate X. I think we’ll definitely be talking about Iceman. And I think of all people… again, this is probably more of a tease than it’s worth, but what the hell… we’ll talk a little bit about Stevie Hunter. It's interesting not only because of the Iceman mentions, but the context. He went into some detail on most of the other characters...but for Iceman, 'whatever you can tell me' apparently wasn't much. And again, Inmate X people are already talking about and have been for some time, which suggests whatever is happening with Iceman is comparably BIG. Whatever is coming, I don't think it's going to be simply another power feat or even him leading a team like X-Factor. Could it be, at last, the D-----!? by Icefanatic
Minor update to add information on the Wheel of Fortune and give some context to the depiction of the snake wound through it. Information added seen below.
*** A.E. Waite was a key figure in the development of the tarot in line with the Hermetic magical-religious system also being developed at the time by The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, more commonly called the Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn was a secret society devoted to the study and practice of occult Hermeticism and metaphysics during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and was covered more fully earlier in one of our Fun Facts annotations. In the Rider–Waite Tarot deck, the Wheel of Fortune card depicts a giant wheel, with three figures on its outer edges. On the outer circle is a snake, the Egyptian god Typhon (the god of evil), descending on the left side. The snake also represents the life force plunging into the material world. On the right side rises Anubis, the Egyptian God of the dead who welcomes souls to the underworld. And on top of the wheel sits the Sphinx, representing knowledge and strength. Four Hebrew letters – YHVH (Yod Heh Vau Heh), the unpronounceable name of God – are inscribed on the wheel’s face. They alternate with the letters ROTA (Latin for ‘wheel’). The middle wheel has the alchemical symbols for mercury, sulphur, water and salt – the building blocks of life and the four elements – and represents formative power. In the corners of the Wheel of Fortune card are four winged creatures, each associated with the four fixed signs of the Zodiac: the angel is Aquarius, the eagle is Scorpio, the lion is Leo, and the bull is Taurus. The wings on the lion and bull bring them into balance with the winged angel and eagle above. Each holds the Torah, representing wisdom. The Wheel of Fortune itself has been present since the tarot's inception in the 15th century, based on the medieval concept of Rota Fortunae, the wheel of the goddess Fortuna is a symbol of Fate or Destiny. That the snake, the symbol for evil, is show both alone and thoroughly wound through the Wheel of Fortune suggests ominously that evil has in some way taken control of Fate or Destiny itself. *** by Icefanatic
I must give props to your dedication and devotion, especially hearing that you go out of your way tracking down old interviews and sources to back up your work. I can't imagine it's very cheap either to find some of this old content. Glad you found the interivew you needed for Simonson's original plans. I remember you mentioned to me once how she was definitely aware of the plan for Bobby and seeded in certain aspects (like Loki and Asgard) so very curious to see the full write-up on that when it's ready. Thanks! Initially, researching it was purely to satisfy my own interest and then later to share it with others, but doing that was always done piecemeal. It really did become a 'work' when I started this thread and I ended up doing even deeper dives into some of the material which added to my own knowledge as well. I guess you could call it a labor of love. Louise Simonson's role is so key not just because of her contributions to the Dragon Mythos that she added during her run on X-Factor, where she was very limited in what she could do with it by editorial, but by the detailed plan she left behind which survived her tenure at Marvel and became a resources for later writers. If not for her the Dragon Mythos may very well have ended with the 1984 Iceman miniseries. Lol I had no idea Madonna was into the occult. Must have been a phase with her. Actually, she converted. www.patheos.com/blogs/religionmatters/2023/05/what-is-kabbalah-and-why-did-madonna-convert-to-it/ The new stuff is more a blindspot for me because I rarely keep up with the current comics anymore. And everytime I do come back, I'm reminded of why I left in the first place. The Storm/Magneto stuff from Ewing I've heard wonderful things about, for both characters, so I probably should read it especially now knowing it's all connected to Oblivion as well. Had no idea Ashake was brought back. And as someone who doesn't read Venom, it's a good thing you mentioned that Ewing has used this concept of falling through Limbo before. I hate Krakoa. I hate what has been done with the depiction of several characters, the X-Men as a whole and the themes the franchise itself was founded on and stood on for decades. Even though I believe the timeline has been rewritten and what we are getting is no more valid than the 'Age of Apocalypse' was, I still don't enjoy reading most of it. I'd largely dropped Marvel and actually quit reading the current X-Books entirely, only coming back because of the recent Jean Grey mini-series. I'd also heard that Shadow King was meant as an oppositional force against the Phoenix but I never knew if that was mere speculation or not. Nice to have Ewing confirm it. I agree that Dark Cold Room flows better than Black Cold Room. Ewing is doing a great job knitting together disparate things, revealing things and overall expanding the lore and mythology. Al Ewing is easily my favorite Marvel writer at the moment. Oh I see, I didn't realize the Iceman statue was a custom. That makes sense because I had never seen any official merchandise of Iceman with a dragon theme. It sounds like Lucas Coelho might be a subscriber to this mythos. It's truly a stunning piece of work and I'd love to see that dragon imagery pop up in the comics when Bobby is using his powers. It seems like such a natural fit after actually seeing it. I expect Coelho was heavily influenced by the 'Frozen' arc from Astonishing X-Men, given the presence of Thor's hammer. It's the first time Iceman had manifested as the Dragon. We'd seen aspects hinted at with changes to his appearance in the Wolverine and the X-Men period but in 'Frozen' we got the divine-form on one of the covers, an infernal-form throughout and briefly a hint of the Dragon-form when he actually devoured Thor. That arc did a lot to kindle and rekindle interest in the Dragon Mythos. Edit: Separated out unrelated post. by whitecrown
I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up! I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially. That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho. unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/ unboxingbros.com/ www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph Lol I had no idea Madonna was into the occult. Must have been a phase with her. The new stuff is more a blindspot for me because I rarely keep up with the current comics anymore. And everytime I do come back, I'm reminded of why I left in the first place. The Storm/Magneto stuff from Ewing I've heard wonderful things about, for both characters, so I probably should read it especially now knowing it's all connected to Oblivion as well. Had no idea Ashake was brought back. And as someone who doesn't read Venom, it's a good thing you mentioned that Ewing has used this concept of falling through Limbo before. I'd also heard that Shadow King was meant as an oppositional force against the Phoenix but I never knew if that was mere speculation or not. Nice to have Ewing confirm it. I agree that Dark Cold Room flows better than Black Cold Room. Oh I see, I didn't realize the Iceman statue was a custom. That makes sense because I had never seen any official merchandise of Iceman with a dragon theme. It sounds like Lucas Coelho might be a subscriber to this mythos. It's truly a stunning piece of work and I'd love to see that dragon imagery pop up in the comics when Bobby is using his powers. It seems like such a natural fit after actually seeing it. by Icefanatic
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins. Thank you! I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up! This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it. I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially. The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run. I connected some obvious dots. I probably should have shown more of them but I rushed that recent addition and I don't think it meets the quality of the rest so I am going to revise that section as follows: **As noted earlier, writer Al Ewing has spent recent years establishing various Sefirot and Qliphoth as places in the Marvel Universe in books like Immortal Hulk and Venom and Defenders: Beyond, as well as establishing already existing Marvel realms as Sefirot and Qliphoth. In Resurrection of Magneto #1, Ewing shows us Magneto's spirit now trapped in the afterlife. His anguish is felt by Storm in the world of the living and she seeks out Adam Brashear aka the Blue Marvel to somehow reach Magneto to help him. She eventually travels through a portal into the afterlife, leaving her physical body behind in the process. Storm is immediately confronted by images drawn from the Tarot, specifically the Rider–Waite Tarot version of the cards, mixed with images from Marvel's own unique Arcana. The snake on the Wheel of Fortune looks ominous... Eventually, she meets Ashake, one of her ancestors and receives guidance. Sefirot and Qliphoth are often refereed to as simply 'spheres'. The fifth sphere of the Qliphoth is Golachab, corresponding to the Sefirot Geburah on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. Golachab means the Burners with Fire, and represents unbridled radicalism and tyranny that brooks no opposition, and executes all its opponents. Golachab is a hell for those who burn to do destruction, even on themselves. At the end of Resurrection of Magneto #2, Magneto and Storm manage to escape Golachab, falling into the realm below... This is a technique Al Ewing has employed before, in the pages of Venom, where he had Eddie Brock fall through Limbo into the realm below. The realm below was identified as the Qliphoth Gamaliel and given the Marvel Universe name 'The Un-Beyond'. But by falling down and through Limbo, it also established Limbo as the Qliphoth above Gamaliel, Nehemoth. Here, by falling into the Qliphoth below Golachab, we know this realm to be sixth sphere of the Qliphoth, Thagirion... Thagirion is the Qliphoth in opposition to the Sefirot Tiferet in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and Death. Thagirion means the disputers and the painful movers, Thagirion maintains and sustains the ugly and evil forces together, performing the same function as Tiferet does for the Life side of the Tree. Resurrection of Magneto 3 subtly establishes Thagirion both as the 'Black Cold Room'... "Pitch black...and very, very cold." ...and as a home for oppositional forces to the Phoenix... including but not limited to Bete Noir, the Adversary, the Shadow King, Annihilation, the First Fallen and the Goblin Force. Okay, We have 'black' and 'cold', but where did we get 'room' from, you ask?! Let's go to the writer's blog... al-ewing-writes-comics.ghost.io/200324/ Spring Cleaning In The Dark Cold Room A new release and chat about an old one. People have already seen the preview of this - well, it's Wednesday, people have already seen the whole comic. But the preview involves a bit of housecleaning on my part - as part of trying to get my head around what this series would be and how it could fit with the larger narrative being told (also out today: X-Men Forever #1!) I did a bit of research on the various "oppositional forces to the Phoenix" we've seen on-panel. I'd heard that the Shadow King was originally intended to be one of these by Claremont, but I'd been made aware of others that had filled that niche since, such as the Goblin Force. Were there any others? Turns out the answer is yes. Did I get them all? Who even knows. The oppositional forces to the Phoenix can be plural, but for the purposes of the larger story they should probably be coherently arranged. (No Tiger God, though. My gut said he didn't fit - I'll give that some more thought if they ever ask me for AvX II.) Technically it should be the Black Cold Room(in opposition to White), not the 'Dark Cold Room', but 'Dark' does flow better... "Did I get them all? Who even knows." Well, He may have missed one... *** I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product? It's what is called a 'custom'. They are made by actual companies but not necessarily officially licensed. Generally 1/4 scale and limited to around twenty statues to a casting, they retail from several hundred to thousands of dollars. That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho. unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/ unboxingbros.com/ www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph by whitecrown
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins.
This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it. The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run. I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product? by Icefanatic
To say I am rather disinterested in the latest 'reboot' for Marvel's X-Men franchise would be a massive understatement.
While the 'Krakoa' era is technically ending, all of its failings are far from behind us. The damage to countless individual characters and the team and franchise as a whole cannot be overstated. To give just one example...Beast. While once a beloved character he became irredeemably evil and was stated to have secretly been so though decades of stories. So he was killed off and replaced with a clone that only has Beast's memories though his time in New Defenders from the early eighties. Essentially creating a copy that is missing forty years of story-memories. Other characters such as Moira, Polaris and even Nightcrawler have all had their 'irredeemable' moments as well, among others. No clones to replace them yet, though. Bah, humbug! by Icefanatic
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Recent Postsby profezzorx
Last night while at work, I came across my coworkers in the Doctor's lounge watching tv. Family Guy was on, so I tuned in... And wouldn't you know, it just happened to be that episode with Iceman in it. Admittedly, it did make me laugh where you follow the ice slide down to the adult store across the street, but it also reminded me why I don't like the current version of Iceman.... But I digress.
Although I'm pretty sure Iceman will make a comeback, I'm curious to know how they do it, considering how they left his state of being when he died at the hands of Nimrod. They made it seem like it was a permanent thing at the time, but Bobby has gone through far worse over the decades. No doubt it was done for shock and awe, but if they're going to give him a comeback, at least transcend him into a greater state of being, consciousness, or awareness of his immortality. I've all but given up on any tangible or meaningful development of Iceman at this point, so it's my hope that they do something amazing with him this time around. What I really liked about some of the development of Iceman over the years is when other characters had shown him his potential and what he was capable of. Mikhal Rasputin, Emma Frost, the Juggernaut, and Mystique. All these villains provided a pivotal moment in Bobby's life that changed and heightened his potential (changing him from water to ice, repairing his damaged ice body & traveling through water at super speeds, gigantism by absorbing water, and rebuilding a new body when poisoned & immunity to intense heat). Those are the memorable instances we remember over the years. Not when he does a new feat, other characters react to it, and then he jokes about it with some lame pun... We're all adult here, so please writers, stop insulting our intelligence. by Icefanatic
And here is a little more on the above from Brevoort taken from his Substack:
tombrevoort.substack.com/p/111-i-would-like-to-feed-your-fingertips Hector: You said iceman yes in one of your interviews and that we would be talking about him this year Which is a relief because out of the original five he's the only one that haven't been announced in any book yet, being honest he haven't been anywhere this year so far, so my question is are we gonna have to wait and read the announced books to know what happened to him or we may have something announced about him before the release maybe in some of the books that are yet to be announced Brevoort: Well, I said that we’d be talking about Iceman by the end of the year, Hector, and we’re still not even halfway to that point. So like so many other X-Characters that fans are asking about, you’re going to need to wait for the proper moment to arrive. by Icefanatic
aiptcomics.com/2024/05/06/x-men-monday-tom-brevoort-from-the-ashes/ AIPT: So, when sorting through X-Fans’ questions, I picked up on some concerns over their favorite characters not appearing in any promotional images. I’m going to list some characters and you tell me… whatever you can tell me! ... AIPT: OK, how about Iceman? Tom: Iceman, yes. ... AIPT: OK, Tom — final question. Six months into the “From the Ashes” era… what three X-Men characters will X-Fans be talking about? Tom: Wow. That’s a good question. I’m pulling up my master chart here. For the sake of argument, rather than starting in May, let’s say from June. So that pretty much puts us around December. Let’s see… who do I have on my little chart and who can I point to? I think we’ll definitely be talking about Inmate X. I think we’ll definitely be talking about Iceman. And I think of all people… again, this is probably more of a tease than it’s worth, but what the hell… we’ll talk a little bit about Stevie Hunter. It's interesting not only because of the Iceman mentions, but the context. He went into some detail on most of the other characters...but for Iceman, 'whatever you can tell me' apparently wasn't much. And again, Inmate X people are already talking about and have been for some time, which suggests whatever is happening with Iceman is comparably BIG. Whatever is coming, I don't think it's going to be simply another power feat or even him leading a team like X-Factor. Could it be, at last, the D-----!? by Icefanatic
Minor update to add information on the Wheel of Fortune and give some context to the depiction of the snake wound through it. Information added seen below.
*** A.E. Waite was a key figure in the development of the tarot in line with the Hermetic magical-religious system also being developed at the time by The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, more commonly called the Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn was a secret society devoted to the study and practice of occult Hermeticism and metaphysics during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and was covered more fully earlier in one of our Fun Facts annotations. In the Rider–Waite Tarot deck, the Wheel of Fortune card depicts a giant wheel, with three figures on its outer edges. On the outer circle is a snake, the Egyptian god Typhon (the god of evil), descending on the left side. The snake also represents the life force plunging into the material world. On the right side rises Anubis, the Egyptian God of the dead who welcomes souls to the underworld. And on top of the wheel sits the Sphinx, representing knowledge and strength. Four Hebrew letters – YHVH (Yod Heh Vau Heh), the unpronounceable name of God – are inscribed on the wheel’s face. They alternate with the letters ROTA (Latin for ‘wheel’). The middle wheel has the alchemical symbols for mercury, sulphur, water and salt – the building blocks of life and the four elements – and represents formative power. In the corners of the Wheel of Fortune card are four winged creatures, each associated with the four fixed signs of the Zodiac: the angel is Aquarius, the eagle is Scorpio, the lion is Leo, and the bull is Taurus. The wings on the lion and bull bring them into balance with the winged angel and eagle above. Each holds the Torah, representing wisdom. The Wheel of Fortune itself has been present since the tarot's inception in the 15th century, based on the medieval concept of Rota Fortunae, the wheel of the goddess Fortuna is a symbol of Fate or Destiny. That the snake, the symbol for evil, is show both alone and thoroughly wound through the Wheel of Fortune suggests ominously that evil has in some way taken control of Fate or Destiny itself. *** by Icefanatic
I must give props to your dedication and devotion, especially hearing that you go out of your way tracking down old interviews and sources to back up your work. I can't imagine it's very cheap either to find some of this old content. Glad you found the interivew you needed for Simonson's original plans. I remember you mentioned to me once how she was definitely aware of the plan for Bobby and seeded in certain aspects (like Loki and Asgard) so very curious to see the full write-up on that when it's ready. Thanks! Initially, researching it was purely to satisfy my own interest and then later to share it with others, but doing that was always done piecemeal. It really did become a 'work' when I started this thread and I ended up doing even deeper dives into some of the material which added to my own knowledge as well. I guess you could call it a labor of love. Louise Simonson's role is so key not just because of her contributions to the Dragon Mythos that she added during her run on X-Factor, where she was very limited in what she could do with it by editorial, but by the detailed plan she left behind which survived her tenure at Marvel and became a resources for later writers. If not for her the Dragon Mythos may very well have ended with the 1984 Iceman miniseries. Lol I had no idea Madonna was into the occult. Must have been a phase with her. Actually, she converted. www.patheos.com/blogs/religionmatters/2023/05/what-is-kabbalah-and-why-did-madonna-convert-to-it/ The new stuff is more a blindspot for me because I rarely keep up with the current comics anymore. And everytime I do come back, I'm reminded of why I left in the first place. The Storm/Magneto stuff from Ewing I've heard wonderful things about, for both characters, so I probably should read it especially now knowing it's all connected to Oblivion as well. Had no idea Ashake was brought back. And as someone who doesn't read Venom, it's a good thing you mentioned that Ewing has used this concept of falling through Limbo before. I hate Krakoa. I hate what has been done with the depiction of several characters, the X-Men as a whole and the themes the franchise itself was founded on and stood on for decades. Even though I believe the timeline has been rewritten and what we are getting is no more valid than the 'Age of Apocalypse' was, I still don't enjoy reading most of it. I'd largely dropped Marvel and actually quit reading the current X-Books entirely, only coming back because of the recent Jean Grey mini-series. I'd also heard that Shadow King was meant as an oppositional force against the Phoenix but I never knew if that was mere speculation or not. Nice to have Ewing confirm it. I agree that Dark Cold Room flows better than Black Cold Room. Ewing is doing a great job knitting together disparate things, revealing things and overall expanding the lore and mythology. Al Ewing is easily my favorite Marvel writer at the moment. Oh I see, I didn't realize the Iceman statue was a custom. That makes sense because I had never seen any official merchandise of Iceman with a dragon theme. It sounds like Lucas Coelho might be a subscriber to this mythos. It's truly a stunning piece of work and I'd love to see that dragon imagery pop up in the comics when Bobby is using his powers. It seems like such a natural fit after actually seeing it. I expect Coelho was heavily influenced by the 'Frozen' arc from Astonishing X-Men, given the presence of Thor's hammer. It's the first time Iceman had manifested as the Dragon. We'd seen aspects hinted at with changes to his appearance in the Wolverine and the X-Men period but in 'Frozen' we got the divine-form on one of the covers, an infernal-form throughout and briefly a hint of the Dragon-form when he actually devoured Thor. That arc did a lot to kindle and rekindle interest in the Dragon Mythos. Edit: Separated out unrelated post. by whitecrown
I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up! I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially. That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho. unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/ unboxingbros.com/ www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph Lol I had no idea Madonna was into the occult. Must have been a phase with her. The new stuff is more a blindspot for me because I rarely keep up with the current comics anymore. And everytime I do come back, I'm reminded of why I left in the first place. The Storm/Magneto stuff from Ewing I've heard wonderful things about, for both characters, so I probably should read it especially now knowing it's all connected to Oblivion as well. Had no idea Ashake was brought back. And as someone who doesn't read Venom, it's a good thing you mentioned that Ewing has used this concept of falling through Limbo before. I'd also heard that Shadow King was meant as an oppositional force against the Phoenix but I never knew if that was mere speculation or not. Nice to have Ewing confirm it. I agree that Dark Cold Room flows better than Black Cold Room. Oh I see, I didn't realize the Iceman statue was a custom. That makes sense because I had never seen any official merchandise of Iceman with a dragon theme. It sounds like Lucas Coelho might be a subscriber to this mythos. It's truly a stunning piece of work and I'd love to see that dragon imagery pop up in the comics when Bobby is using his powers. It seems like such a natural fit after actually seeing it. by Icefanatic
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins. Thank you! I was an X-Men/Iceman fan for almost twenty years before I learned of it, and then spent more years than that trying to find out more about it, off and on. Once I started posting about it publicly I would also occasionally have someone just send me something. Apparently, since I already knew about it and was discussing it, it was like 'oh well, the cat's already out of the bag'. The hard part has been trying to confirm things. I've had something for awhile that goes into the next part of the Mythos involving Louise Simonson's original plans involving Bobby and Jean, and while I was able to confirm some of it, I couldn't confirm some of the most explosive parts until I finally tracked down a print interview from the 80's that I had looked for for years and finally all-but concluded probably didn't exist. It's like finding pieces of a puzzle, where one piece often leads to another piece, and suddenly disparate things that didn't make sense finally start to add up! This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it. I went through a phase as a teenager where I was very into the occult, and before I started researching all this the only thing I knew of Kabbalah was that it was some form of Jewish Mysticism that the singer Madonna was into(it garnered a lot of media attention at the time). I had no idea how much of the occult was drawn from the Shadow Side of Kabbalah especially. The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run. I connected some obvious dots. I probably should have shown more of them but I rushed that recent addition and I don't think it meets the quality of the rest so I am going to revise that section as follows: **As noted earlier, writer Al Ewing has spent recent years establishing various Sefirot and Qliphoth as places in the Marvel Universe in books like Immortal Hulk and Venom and Defenders: Beyond, as well as establishing already existing Marvel realms as Sefirot and Qliphoth. In Resurrection of Magneto #1, Ewing shows us Magneto's spirit now trapped in the afterlife. His anguish is felt by Storm in the world of the living and she seeks out Adam Brashear aka the Blue Marvel to somehow reach Magneto to help him. She eventually travels through a portal into the afterlife, leaving her physical body behind in the process. Storm is immediately confronted by images drawn from the Tarot, specifically the Rider–Waite Tarot version of the cards, mixed with images from Marvel's own unique Arcana. The snake on the Wheel of Fortune looks ominous... Eventually, she meets Ashake, one of her ancestors and receives guidance. Sefirot and Qliphoth are often refereed to as simply 'spheres'. The fifth sphere of the Qliphoth is Golachab, corresponding to the Sefirot Geburah on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. Golachab means the Burners with Fire, and represents unbridled radicalism and tyranny that brooks no opposition, and executes all its opponents. Golachab is a hell for those who burn to do destruction, even on themselves. At the end of Resurrection of Magneto #2, Magneto and Storm manage to escape Golachab, falling into the realm below... This is a technique Al Ewing has employed before, in the pages of Venom, where he had Eddie Brock fall through Limbo into the realm below. The realm below was identified as the Qliphoth Gamaliel and given the Marvel Universe name 'The Un-Beyond'. But by falling down and through Limbo, it also established Limbo as the Qliphoth above Gamaliel, Nehemoth. Here, by falling into the Qliphoth below Golachab, we know this realm to be sixth sphere of the Qliphoth, Thagirion... Thagirion is the Qliphoth in opposition to the Sefirot Tiferet in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and Death. Thagirion means the disputers and the painful movers, Thagirion maintains and sustains the ugly and evil forces together, performing the same function as Tiferet does for the Life side of the Tree. Resurrection of Magneto 3 subtly establishes Thagirion both as the 'Black Cold Room'... "Pitch black...and very, very cold." ...and as a home for oppositional forces to the Phoenix... including but not limited to Bete Noir, the Adversary, the Shadow King, Annihilation, the First Fallen and the Goblin Force. Okay, We have 'black' and 'cold', but where did we get 'room' from, you ask?! Let's go to the writer's blog... al-ewing-writes-comics.ghost.io/200324/ Spring Cleaning In The Dark Cold Room A new release and chat about an old one. People have already seen the preview of this - well, it's Wednesday, people have already seen the whole comic. But the preview involves a bit of housecleaning on my part - as part of trying to get my head around what this series would be and how it could fit with the larger narrative being told (also out today: X-Men Forever #1!) I did a bit of research on the various "oppositional forces to the Phoenix" we've seen on-panel. I'd heard that the Shadow King was originally intended to be one of these by Claremont, but I'd been made aware of others that had filled that niche since, such as the Goblin Force. Were there any others? Turns out the answer is yes. Did I get them all? Who even knows. The oppositional forces to the Phoenix can be plural, but for the purposes of the larger story they should probably be coherently arranged. (No Tiger God, though. My gut said he didn't fit - I'll give that some more thought if they ever ask me for AvX II.) Technically it should be the Black Cold Room(in opposition to White), not the 'Dark Cold Room', but 'Dark' does flow better... "Did I get them all? Who even knows." Well, He may have missed one... *** I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product? It's what is called a 'custom'. They are made by actual companies but not necessarily officially licensed. Generally 1/4 scale and limited to around twenty statues to a casting, they retail from several hundred to thousands of dollars. That Iceman statue was produced by a company called 'Unboxing Bros' and sculpted by the amazing Lucas Coelho. unboxingbros.com/iceman-custom-statue-not-xm-studios/ unboxingbros.com/ www.facebook.com/unboxingbrosph by whitecrown
Wow, what an impressive update. As you know the Dragon mythos was entirely new to me as an X-Men reader who only got introduced in the 2000s when it seemed nobody cared about continuity anymore. I found it so shocking that such a big plotline has been kept secret for so long, always hiding in the margins.
This extensive write-up has definitely helped give me a better understanding of what was intended for Bobby all along. The Phoenix vs Dragon seems like such an obvious connection now. Most of the Jewish mythology stuff I am not familiar with so I'm very grateful you took the time to explain everything. Outside of Claremont's few references to it with the Phoenix, I have no other exposure to it. The Oblivion stuff is really well mapped out. The Black Cold Room that you said recently appeared in X-Men comics...was it actually called that in the comic or did you coin it yourself? All the different Anti-Phoenixes that exist make me wonder if they're all just different aspects of the same being. I remember a lot of people felt the Shadow King and Adversary were connected in Claremont's run. I had a question about the statue of Iceman with a dragon ice slide...is that fan-made or an official product? by Icefanatic
To say I am rather disinterested in the latest 'reboot' for Marvel's X-Men franchise would be a massive understatement.
While the 'Krakoa' era is technically ending, all of its failings are far from behind us. The damage to countless individual characters and the team and franchise as a whole cannot be overstated. To give just one example...Beast. While once a beloved character he became irredeemably evil and was stated to have secretly been so though decades of stories. So he was killed off and replaced with a clone that only has Beast's memories though his time in New Defenders from the early eighties. Essentially creating a copy that is missing forty years of story-memories. Other characters such as Moira, Polaris and even Nightcrawler have all had their 'irredeemable' moments as well, among others. No clones to replace them yet, though. Bah, humbug! by Icefanatic
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