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Post by neko on May 14, 2019 14:51:44 GMT -5

I have not read the article but .... the headline is something.

www.newsarama.com/45166-marvel-to-cancel-relaunch-entire-x-men-line.html

Writer Jonathan Hickman, who takes over the X-Men franchise with July's House of X #1 and Powers of X #1, says that the "entire line" of X-Men comic books will be canceled to coincide with the launch of the two biweekly titles.

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Post by neko on May 14, 2019 16:45:36 GMT -5

I probably should not reply to my own post but ... I think I left out a quote that is important. Certainly give me a reason to like Xmen books again.

“We needed to sell the idea that this is what we’re going to be doing for the next few years. So if you want to read X-Men books during the run from late-July through September, House of X and Powers of X are the only new X-books available and everything that’s going to follow is based on them,” he continued. “We wanted to be clear to the fans, to the stores, and just as importantly, to the creators who are going to be staffing these books in the future. We wanted the message to be very clear: This is a whole new era for the X-Men. This is what we’re doing now. And so, POX and HOX is how we’re starting. It’s a solid plan, I think.”

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Post by Icefanatic on May 14, 2019 19:12:32 GMT -5

May 14, 2019 16:45:36 GMT -5 neko said:

I probably should not reply to my own post but ... I think I left out a quote that is important. Certainly give me a reason to like Xmen books again.

I do that all the time, when it's in reference to/expands on what I previously posted. It's either fine or you're in good company if it's not.

“We needed to sell the idea that this is what we’re going to be doing for the next few years. So if you want to read X-Men books during the run from late-July through September, House of X and Powers of X are the only new X-books available and everything that’s going to follow is based on them,” he continued. “We wanted to be clear to the fans, to the stores, and just as importantly, to the creators who are going to be staffing these books in the future. We wanted the message to be very clear: This is a whole new era for the X-Men. This is what we’re doing now. And so, POX and HOX is how we’re starting. It’s a solid plan, I think.”

This excites me. It's certainly the clear start things need. The recent relaunch of Uncanny X-Men with the first ten issues being used as just a setup for 'Age of X-Man', which has been a sales disaster, is a prime example of what a muddled mess the X-Line has become. Clear the deck!

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Post by neko on May 17, 2019 12:35:55 GMT -5

I knew this thread was somewhere. LOL.

You know my view of a certain writer and it appears she won't be writing the Xbooks. And we don't know if G and R will be married either. I don't care anymore if they stay married but would prefer Gambit to be single. If they stay married a different perspective is a must.

Yeah, I know ... she can't really say ... and its possible she'll be on something. Its just my opinion that someone else should be writing Gambit.

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Post by Icefanatic on May 17, 2019 14:10:34 GMT -5

I just sticky-ed the thread if that helps.

I expect it will see a lot of use as more details become available.

Glad KT is off Gambit. To me, MMX was mostly a Romy fanfic with Gambit as an accessory. If it hadn't been cancelled anyway I would have dropped it. I actually like them as a couple, but not the way they were handled.

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Post by neko on May 17, 2019 15:35:51 GMT -5

Agreed Ice. Too much time and pages devoted to Rogue and her issues. Not enough balance. The last two issues are suppose to be Gambit-centric with the guilds.

I had a hard time reading the previews from the site that had them but it seems good. Gambit wearing contacts to hide himself and wearing a NO Saints hat (that will make cc008's day). Those were the only images I tried to look at.

Yes, I think this thread will get some use as details trickle in about the new stuff.

Its why I don't care if they stay married or not. I think it can be written well, just not by the person who was given the job. If Gambit ends up single again well, I'm okay with that too. I know I never need to read about Rogue for quite some time now. I know they won't put her in limbo, but Marvel has shoved her down the throat for a few years now. Maybe a rest is not a bad idea. IMO.

Edit: Hopes dashed already. LOL

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Apparently this needs FURTHER clarification as I see people screencapping it & using it in arguments. When I say I'm not writing the books - I was referring to HOX & POX. As to everything else I cannot comment either way - those are PR Announcements that Marvel will be handling!

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Post by Icefanatic on May 17, 2019 18:58:11 GMT -5

I've been getting weird popups on the CBR forum: "This web page is being redirected to a new location. Would you like to resend the form data you have typed to the new location?" Only happening with that site and it's every page.

I made a thread for Mr and Mrs X #11 with the preview art: abetterplace.boards.net/thread/645/11

It looks really good. Damn shame it took the end of the series to get to that when a lot of Gambit fans had already, I'm sure, dropped the book.

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Post by neko on May 18, 2019 9:37:35 GMT -5

Rant incoming, read at your risk, I won't apologize. LOL

I know I'm not the only Gambit fan disappointed. And several left months ago, probably after the first arc. The book had a huge drop between #1 and #2, the variants didn't help #2 or #3. It isn't selling well, and that is a story problem, not a character problem.

I can't give props to KT. And I will say I'm annoyed with some fans, KT's crap is great yet some of these same fans had a witch hunt for PAD and Asmus. So ... if Gambit isn't written with any characterization what so ever - Great. Give him story and "OMG - fire them and get a new writer." That stuff irks the hell out of me.

A female writer put a female fan off of her favorite character. That says something. I support female writers, as you know from our book topics. I can't support this ... it is fanfic from tumblr prompts. The worst.

I saw someone on CBR state something about Gambit's agency .... what agency ... he has none because he is nothing in the book.

Not only are G's fans gone from this book, its too late to get them back and rebooting with the same writer will not help. She's peeved them off too much. They don't trust her with the character.

All just my opinion. I know I don't need to disclaim but its a habit now. LOL

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Post by Icefanatic on Jul 31, 2019 12:08:13 GMT -5

Yes, I know I'm late with this, I haven't had the time, don't really have it now...

I'm going to mix the info from SDCC in with the information later released for the new titles.

DAWN OF X

From SDCC 2019: DAWN OF X in MARVEL's Next Big Thing Panel...

On the panel are C. B. Cebulski, Jonathan Hickman, X-Men line editor Jordan D. White, and Executive Editor Nick Lowe.

"I would've respected you more if you'd have booed the hell out of me," joked Hickman.

There are large drawing pads onstage to be used in a game where fans will guess which characters will be on which X-teams.

Marvel Comics #1000 is an 80 page story where each page is created by a different team.

The story starts with the first panel of Marvel Comics #1 and traces the history of the Marvel Universe "and at the end, it births a new character."

Hickman and Dustin Weaver will create a one-page Apocalypse story.

"Dustin Weaver is my favorite person to turn in stuff late with!" joked Hickman.

X-Men! X-Men! This is their day! It's time for X-Men announcements.

House of X and Powers of X are two intertwined stories that set the stage for the new X-Men status quo.

Hickman praised the art of Pepe Larazz and R.B. Silva, saying it's "mission critical" to have artists who can design cohesive worlds. Hickman called them two of Marvel's best artists.

Powers of X tells the story of the "Past, present and future of mutantkind."

Hickman says "House of X #5 is the good one."

Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister will show up later in the series.

Who's ready to talk about what's after HoX/Pox?

Hickman jokes that he didn't want to reveal anything but was outvoted.

Hickman says his way would include no previews or PR - but "we want this thing to be as big as possible."

"We've lied to you a lot, extensively," said Hickman.

Here comes the real news - the new line. "The thing you should keep in mind is that House of X and Powers of X are setting up a new status quo for the X-Men."

Here it comes - they're going to reveal the titles in the new X-line - but not story details. We'll find out the teams and the creators though! All handpicked by Hickman.

This might take a while - the titles will be revealed with a game where fans guess the line-ups.

Here we go - the secrets of DAWN OF X are on the way now.

The first title is MARAUDERS by GERRY DUGGAN and MATTEO LOLLI

We're gonna focus on the actual answers instead of the guesses for the line-up - bear with us as the reveals will come a bit slowly.

There are six MARAUDERS - PYRO, ICEMAN, STORM, BISHOP, EMMA FROST, and KITTY PRYDE

Lockheed is also there.

"We're taking a traditional name and a concept you don't know about yet, and it looks like a bunch of nonsense, but it's brilliant. If we told you the pitch right now it wouldn't make sense."

MARAUDERS #1
Written by Gerry Duggan
Penciled by Matteo Lolli
Cover by RUSSEL DAUTERMAN
On sale October 2019
THE X-MEN SAIL AT DAWN!
Even in this glorious new dawn, Mutantkind faces hardships and oppression from their human counterparts. Led by Captain Kate Pryde and funded by Emma Frost and the Hellfire Trading Company, Marauders Storm, Pyro, Bishop and Iceman sail the seas of the world to protect those hated and feared!

https://i1.wp.com/www.xavierfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/image0-9.jpg?fit=666%2C1024

Up Next: EXCALIBUR

EXCALIBUR also has six members.

EXCALIBUR is RICTOR, JUBILEE, GAMBIT, PSYLOCKE - AKA CAPTAIN BRITAIN, and APOCALYPSE.

EXCALIBUR is written by TINI HOWARD with art from MARCUS TO.

"Tini's a hell of a writer - she's gonna be around forever."

Confirmed - PSYLOCKE is now officially the new CAPTAIN BRITAIN.

EXCALIBUR #1
Written by Tini Howard
Penciled by Marcus To
Cover by Mahmud Asrar
On sale October 2019
A NEW DAY IS FORGED!
Mutantkind has always been special…as has their relationship with the world—or WORLDS—around them. As this new era dawns, a new connection forms between mutants and the magic of the world… and that of Otherworld! Can the new Captain Britain forge a new way through the chaos with her companions Rogue, Gambit, Jubilee, Rictor…and Apocalypse?!?

https://i0.wp.com/www.xavierfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/image0-7.jpg?fit=666%2C1024

Up next: X-FORCE

X-FORCE from writer BEN PERCY and artist JOSHUA CASSARA.

X-FORCE has 8 members.

X-FORCE is WOLVERINE, MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY, DOMINO, BEAST, KID OMEGA, SAGE, COLOSSUS, and BLACK TOM.

Jean Grey appears to back to MARVEL GIRL in her NEAL ADAMS costume.

X-FORCE #1
Written by BENJAMIN PERCY
Penciled by JOSHUA CASSARA
Cover by DUSTIN WEAVER
On sale November 2019
THE COST OF THE FUTURE ISN’T CHEAP.
X-Force is the CIA of the mutant world—one half intelligence branch, one half special ops. Beast, Jean Grey and Sage on one side, Wolverine, Kid Omega and Domino on the other. In a perfect world, there would be no need for an X-Force. We’re not there… yet.

https://i0.wp.com/www.xavierfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/image0-2.jpg?fit=666%2C1024

Up next; FALLEN ANGELS by BRYAN EDWARD HILL and SZYMON KUDRANSKI - a deep cut for X-Fans.

Only three members of this team.

FALLEN ANGELS is ANGEL, ANGEL, and ARCHANGEL

JUST KIDDING

It's X-23, CABLE, and PSYLOCKE - NOT Betsy Braddock. Maybe KWANNON?

FALLEN ANGELS #1
Written by BRYAN EDWARD HILL
Penciled by SZYMON KUDRANSKI
Cover by ASHLEY WITTER
On sale November 2019
NOT ALL BELONG IN PARADISE!
Psylocke finds herself in this new world of Mutantkind unsure of her place in it… but when a face from her past returns only to be killed, she seeks help from others who feel similar to get vengeance. Cable and X-23 join Kwannon for a personal mission that could jeopardize all Mutantkind.

https://i1.wp.com/www.xavierfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/image0-3.jpg?fit=666%2C1024

NEW MUTANTS from JONATHAN HICKMAN, ED BRISSON, and ROD REIS.

Hickman will write the first arc with Ed Brisson taking over after that.

New Mutants has 8 members - MAGIK, SUNSPOT, CYPHER, MIRAGE, KARMA, WOLFSBANE, CHAMBER, and MONDO.

WOLFSBANE and CHAMBER are back from the dead.

"I'm doing the first arc of this to set up stuff that's gonna matter years from now," said Hickman.

NEW MUTANTS #1
Issue 1 Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN & ED BRISSON
Issue 2 Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN
Penciled by ROD REIS
Cover by ROD REIS
THE NEXT GENERATION CLAIMS THE FUTURE!
The classic New Mutants (Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Karma, Magik, and Cypher) get together with a few new friends (Chamber, Mondo) to seek out their missing member and share the good news… a mission that takes them into space alongside the Starjammers!

https://i0.wp.com/www.xavierfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/image0-1.jpg?fit=666%2C1024

X-MEN FROM JONATHAN HICKMAN AND LEINIL FRANCIS YU

X-MEN is an "all encompassing mutant title".

The cover features Cyclops, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Corsair, young Cable, and Vulcan. Wolverine is the only non-Summers there.

X-MEN #1
Written by Jonathan Hickman
Penciled by Leinil Francis Yu
Cover by Leinil Francis Yu
A NEW ERA DAWNS FOR THE X-MEN!
The X-Men find themselves in a whole new world of possibility… and things have never been better! Jonathan Hickman (HOUSE OF X, POWERS OF X, SECRET WARS) and superstar artist Leinil Yu (NEW AVENGERS, CAPTAIN AMERICA) reveal the saga of Cyclops and his hand-picked squad of mutant powerhouses!

https://i2.wp.com/www.xavierfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/image0-6.jpg?fit=666%2C1024

Wave 2 of titles is already in the works.

LEAH WILLIAMS, VITA AYALA, and more will work on future titles in the line.

That's it for MARVEL'S NEXT BIG THING live from SDCC 2019.

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Post by Icefanatic on Jul 31, 2019 12:24:49 GMT -5

There's obvious wrongness and weirdness permeating each title. I realize that's probably intentional and part of the story but I've had enough years of wrongness and weirdness ALREADY.

I want to read stuff AFTER things are fixed, or at least on the road to it. This is NOT what I want. Matthew Rosenberg said something to the effect of how when fans see where they are going in the coming years with the X-Books they will have a different view of the stories now.

So basically, if you dislike/hate the X-books you have been reading in recent years, it will make sense in the future? I can understand that because(you all know my theories) I think a lot of things have been done INTENTIONALLY wrong, I also don't think they realize how fed up people are and are kidding themselves about have YEARS to explain and 'fix' things.

I'm hoping it's all misdirection. The Walking Dead comic had solicitations and covers for upcoming comic that weren't real to hide the fact the series was ending a few issues earlier and they didn't want people to see it coming. I HOPE and PRAY that is what Hickman is doing here.

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Post by Icefanatic on Aug 14, 2019 18:48:38 GMT -5

DAWN OF X Comics coming in November...

https://www.previewsworld.com/news_images/232836_1341318_2.jpg

https://www.previewsworld.com/news_images/232836_1341319_3.jpg

NEW MUTANTS #1 AND #2
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN & ED BRISSON (Issue #1)
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN (Issue #2)
Art by ROD REIS
Cover by ROD REIS

THE NEW GENERATION CLAIMS THE DAWN!

The classic New Mutants (Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Karma, Magik,
and Cypher) get together with a few new friends (Chamber, Mondo) to seek
out their missing member and share the good news… a mission that takes
them into space alongside the Starjammers!

X-MEN #2
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN
Art by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU

When an island full of unspeakable horrors appears on the horizon,
the X-Men have their work cut out for themselves keeping Krakoa safe!

X-FORCE #1 AND #2
Written by BENJAMIN PERCY
Art by JOSHUA CASSARA
Cover by DUSTIN WEAVER

THE HIGH PRICE OF A NEW DAWN!

X-Force is the CIA of the mutant world—one half intelligence branch,
one half special ops. Beast, Jean Grey and Sage on one side, Wolverine,
Kid Omega and Domino on the other. In a perfect world, there would be no
need for an X-Force. We’re not there…yet.

FALLEN ANGELS #1 AND #2
Written by BRYAN EDWARD HILL
Art by SZYMON KUDRANSKI
Cover by ASHLEY WITTER

THE DAWN DOES NOT BREAK FOR ALL!

Psylocke finds herself in this new world of Mutantkind unsure of her
place in it… but when a face from her past returns only to be killed,
she seeks help from others who feel similar to get vengeance. Cable and
X-23 join Kwannon for a personal mission that could jeopardize all
Mutantkind!

EXCALIBUR #2

Written by TINI HOWARD
Art by MARCUS TO
Cover by MAHMUD ASRAR

Betsy Braddock is Captain Britain, but a citizen of Krakoa. With
Rogue’s condition a mystery, the team heads to the one place that has
always been the seat of Excalibur’s power - the Lighthouse.

MARAUDERS #2

Written by GERRY DUGGAN
Art by MATTEO LOLLI
Cover by RUSSELL DAUTERMAN

The Hellfire Trading Company has control of Mutant trade on the seas…
but that doesn’t mean its Inner Circle is done stabbing one another in
the back. As Captain Pryde and her Marauders sail on, the real
cutthroats are back home…

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Post by Icefanatic on Aug 15, 2019 12:35:56 GMT -5

I see someone at CBR was thinking along similar lines and stated a thread yesterday...

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Is it me or do the Dawn of X titles look like a hot mess?

The covers and solicitations for issue 2s look incomprehensible. Enjoying HoXPoX but I’m concerned where this is going. Is it possible it’s all a fake out?

Three pages so far of posters telling him he is crazy/stupid and everything is OBVIOUSLY legit. ::)

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Post by Icefanatic on Aug 26, 2019 11:15:00 GMT -5

The writers are discussing the new books.

www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/08/26/x-men-monday-25-x-tra-sized-anniversary-x-travaganza/

I hate to say it, but I'm just not interested. These look like the recent 'Age of X-Man' books did to me. Alt-reality slices. I'm not looking for something disconnected from what I read and loved for decades. I wanted HoX/PoX to be a vehicle to get the X-Books BACK to something I want to read, not keep going forward into stuff that just feels less and less real to me.

If people don't buy into the characters and story they are selling they aren't going to buy the books. I just don't see these books getting all the lapsed X-Men fans back, or retaining the ones that came back just for Hickman expecting him to 'fix' things.

Sorry if I'm being negative but as a fan I don't just want good stories, I want these characters to feel REAL to me again. To feel like the people I KNOW, or at least knew, for decades. These books might have broad appeal to the CBR crowd, the tiny slice of extreme X-fandom that is left, that will mostly believe and buy into whatever is published as long as it plugs into and works as fodder for their personal fantasies... but for the main of fans? We need more than Emma being a 'bitch-goddess' and Iceman doing 'gay-stuff'. They have a small window to fix what has been broken in the X-Books in recent years, to get back to telling the 'true' story of these characters lives. I can't help but think they feel like they can drag this out forever like the did with the 'time-displaced 05'. It's like they are planning some big, multi-lap race and don't realize they are running on fumes with a lot of fans.

They have garnered a lot of goodwill at the moment solely because of Hickman. That will only go so far without results. HoX /PoX is a very good story and I am really enjoying it, but so far it isn't solving the big long-term problems. I, personally, have given Marvel so many second chances it's ridiculous. I had dropped Marvel and the X-Books competently for a year, and only came back because ResureXtion was hyped to 'right the ship'. It didn't. If anything things got worse.

I'm not pre-ordering ANY of these unless I get SOME sense these books are part of a path back to what at least feels like REALITY. I have spent enough years already on a journey in the wrong direction, I don't need anymore of that regardless of what the eventual payoff might be years down the road.

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